Got them yesterday off Craigslist for $1k it was a great deal from a great guy, he had a studio in his basement some other nice equipment and we got to talking gear and since he was a guitar player to I started to tell him about the 11 rack and he was like "you mean one of these?" pointing at his rack and I said "so do you know about www.elevenrackpresets.com?" he said "No I never thought of looking for any online" so he navigated there and saved the bookmark so I hope to see him post here soon. I have had an old set of Alesis DM5's for abut 5 years and they have worked well for us and make a great live recording with my Line 6 M20D. I can't play drums but want to try to learn enough to be able to play on my recordings for my ideas for tunes.and these sound way beter than the Alesis set.