@Mike, I have never had an Ilok? If I recall I dont think PT8 needs one? If you go to PT 9 or above you defenitly need one. That is why i dont understand all this Ilok stuff? I just want to update to 8.0.5.? Back in 2011, I actually recieved an email from Avid providing me a link to update my current version of PT 8.0.1. to .05? At that time I was already so frustrated with Avid and the 11R/PT that i was off to some other quest for tone and my 11R was tucked away collecting dust! Now 18 months later Im back, LOL! And its back to the same old BS with this F-ing thing!