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#45478 - 07/11/16 03:21 PM EPSi settings vs software IR or other IR loader..
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Hi guys, I am wondering if anyone has both the EPSi and another IR loader, and if so what EPSi EQ settings are true to a neutral loader? I am really looking for the effect the HF cutoff value (between 0.01 and 9.99, default in mine was 2.56) has on the high frequency tone of the IR + 11R signal.

I am asking because I want to be able to take the 11r to the studio and have them use the Ownhammer IRs in their software IR loader and have the tones match as close as possible.. I seem to remember last time I did that it didn't work so well so I am looking into the setting the EPSi to be as neutral as possible so that the tone shaping I then do with the 11R will translate to another interface + IR loader.

I hope that all makes sense..

P.S. In case anyone is wondering, I am running the 11R into the EPSi with Ownhammer StudioMix and V3 libraries and that is going into a JBL LSR308 studio monitor for sound shaping (that way it sounds the same as when I am tracking).. The EPSi is in the FX loop normally (with a 9oClock send and 3oClock return) but I may need to move it between the 11R and the JBL 308 so the signal chain is the same as the studio.. The tone settings on the EPSi are: Lo - 0.0, Md - 5.0, Hi - 1.2, LF - 0.42, HF - 1.56..


Edited by Downrazor11 (07/11/16 03:33 PM)
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#45479 - 07/11/16 03:24 PM Re: EPSi settings vs software IR or other IR loader.. [Re: Downrazor11]
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Or if someone can recommend a good IR loader for mac 10.11.5 with logic X (and point me to where to learn how to use that type of setup), I could probably do the comparison myself..

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#45485 - 07/13/16 04:51 PM Re: EPSi settings vs software IR or other IR loader.. [Re: Downrazor11]
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I don't recommend using the EPSI for tone shaping, just set up an EQ on the Eleven Rack because once you unplug the EPSI, it resets and sometimes you need to reset it, every great once in a while it will lock up if you are adding new IRs and reinserting the card, so you have to unplug & plug it back in.

Keep the FX Loop as the last thing in your FX Chain though so that cabinet is last. Post EQs (in my opinion) are not a good idea in general. Once you have it tracked, you can change all that.

The V3 IRs aren't my favorite bc there's a lot of presence boost (unneeded for Eleven Rack), so if you can find the latest ones they'll be better. They have several different ones that are just right, mid boosted, or combined for different styles.

http://www.ownhammer.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=164

I got the V30 and Lynch ones.

I didn't like any of the V3 ones and wish I wouldn't have bought them tbh
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#45486 - 07/13/16 04:59 PM Re: EPSi settings vs software IR or other IR loader.. [Re: TLTD]
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A good IR loader is SIR2 http://www.siraudiotools.com/sir2.php

It has a lot of EQ, stretching, widening, blending etc. So you can get everything just right. Sometimes I'll make cabinets with reverbs blended in and can control the tail better if I have a long one and need it slightly shorter or something. Same thing with the cabinet resonation and things.

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Features
Zero latency processing.
Low CPU-spiking even with small sound-device buffers.
Includes Pinguin's High Definition Impulse Responses.
"True Stereo" processing (a stereo convolution takes place for every source channel (left + right)).
Routing capabilities ( mono->mono, mono->stereo, stereo->stereo...).
High-quality internal sample rate converting.
Imports WAV, AIF, FLAC, BWS, OGG file formats.
Linear phase FFT-EQ.
Fair Copy-Protection - NO challenge/response NO Dongle required - license key based.
Free non-destructive amplitude envelope.
Free non-destructive filter envelope.
Pre-delay (0ms - 2000ms).
Stretch control (high quality re-sampling).
Forward / reverse switch.
Stereo In / Stereo IR Control.
Preset-managing.
Separate dry/wet control (-60db .. +20dB).
Auto-gain (automatic volume compensation).
Signal routing options.
HDIR-Direct On/Off switch.
"Beat-Scale"-mode.
If you have two stereo files, one with "L" and one with "R" at the end of the file name, you can click with right mouse button on one of the files to create a true stereo file. This is useful for third-party impulse response libraries.
Built in impulse-file browser (with folders).
Picture association.
Waveform Zoom.



Edited by TLTD (07/13/16 05:00 PM)
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#45489 - 07/14/16 04:05 PM Re: EPSi settings vs software IR or other IR loader.. [Re: TLTD]
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Originally Posted By: TLTD
I don't recommend using the EPSI for tone shaping, just set up an EQ on the Eleven Rack because once you unplug the EPSI, it resets and sometimes you need to reset it, every great once in a while it will lock up if you are adding new IRs and reinserting the card, so you have to unplug & plug it back in.

Keep the FX Loop as the last thing in your FX Chain though so that cabinet is last. Post EQs (in my opinion) are not a good idea in general. Once you have it tracked, you can change all that.

The V3 IRs aren't my favorite bc there's a lot of presence boost (unneeded for Eleven Rack), so if you can find the latest ones they'll be better. They have several different ones that are just right, mid boosted, or combined for different styles.

http://www.ownhammer.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=164

I got the V30 and Lynch ones.

I didn't like any of the V3 ones and wish I wouldn't have bought them tbh


Yeah, I have had my settings reset on me before, I should just keep them at default. Are the EPSi default EQ settings neutral? I know the latency is real low so I can't imagine too much processing would be going on to change the sound but I think I will have to load things up and see for myself. I ended up getting NadIR but I will check out the one you suggested..

I have been using the mar66 212 collection alot too, the metal, green, and the SUN SP2 files..

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#45490 - 07/14/16 07:36 PM Re: EPSi settings vs software IR or other IR loader.. [Re: Downrazor11]
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Mar66 212 is a great one too.

Yeah, it will always be neutral before you make changes.

ZERO latency. The only real latency is the FX Loop of the Eleven Rack, which is around 3-5ms I think (the official FAQ touts "less than one millisecond to process analog into digital" though).

NAD IR is good, their SHB-1 Bass plugin works great too. At least with the software, they can always make changes in post whereas the EPSI will be a little trickier.

I wouldn't use the EPSI outside of the Effects loop again, and make sure to use all four patch cables (not just two/another reason to utilize the FX Loop for this) and the stereo version of the IR if you have any stereo FX too. I always kept it in stereo with stereo IRs, last block in the FX Loop. Even if you track in stereo, DAWs can change that to mono in one click anyway so you can decide after the fact if it's not sounding better as mono or not.


Edited by TLTD (07/14/16 07:58 PM)
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