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#44500 - 09/08/15 03:49 PM FINALLY A Soloution for Impulse Responses: False Alarm CRAP!
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I was rehashing all my failures with using the 11r with Reaper and came across a solotuion for using the eleven rack with ir's, without the Doubling effect.
I forget who it came from, I had it saved in notepad and must have not tried it, but it WORKS.
It was able to get it to work in Reaper. To confirm it works for real, I used Poulin Lecab because no signal will pass through if it is working right and no signal came through, until I loaded an IR. YAHOO, no latency either, I am so psyched, I just had to share.
In Reaper it shows the track names, so below translated is.
Channel 1 = Guitar In
Output 3/4 is Eleven REAMP L/R Edit: Sorry for the wrong outputs, I am little excited, lol.

Press and hold the Edit / Back button on 11R to enter user options.
Select "Rig Input"
Set the value to "Re-Amp"
In Ableton Live (or whatever), set up a track to receive on 11R channel 1 and output to 3-4.
In the DAW, dial the latency down as far possible without causing issues.


Edited by B32 (09/09/15 07:32 PM)

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#44502 - 09/08/15 04:10 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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Ownhammer Ir's are killer with the 11r. I do not need an axe-fx now, or an Epsi.
For those that have no idea what I'm talking about. The little trick above, is so you can use an Impulse Response loader with the 11r as your primary sound card. Today is
a good day.

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#44503 - 09/08/15 04:25 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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I'm happy with the EPSi loader, but always wished I could just go cabless into Cakewalk and load IRs in the DAW. That would still be a bit better because you can change cabinets after the fact when you end up liking something else better. Lately, I've been saving DIs, then reamping those cabless to play around with cabinet sounds and see what I like.

I'm still confused as to how this actually works, as I'd like to set it up in Cakewalk. Seems once you set input to Reamp, you'd not be able to do this in real time though?
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#44504 - 09/08/15 05:14 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: TLTD]
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No it works in real time, in Reaper anyway. That's the only way I will record. I'm not sure how to do it in Cakewalk.
Basically, you set it to Re-Amp and in the armed track, have the input set to guitar,(input 1), and the output set to 3-4(ElevenRig L/R), and it works fine. I can't believe it took so long for me to find this.


Edited by B32 (09/08/15 05:16 PM)

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#44508 - 09/08/15 06:13 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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well it sounds possible,but in that way,arent you putting your cabv ir infront of the 11r in the signal chain? (dunno if im clear )
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#44510 - 09/08/15 06:53 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Christophersad]
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No. Your basically re routing the signal inside the 11r.
Sounds more than fine to me. To clarify, all this is doing, basically, is re-routing the signal through the re-amp input, which for some reason, allows you to monitor your signal through the DAW without adding the signal from the 11r. Hence, NO Doubling, No Pro-Tools, No Problem! Without getting to technical, it works, lol. You can't put your Daw into the signal path of your 11r, so all is the same, aside from the input re-route.


Edited by B32 (09/08/15 07:09 PM)

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#44513 - 09/09/15 06:22 AM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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I will try this tonight: if it works I will thank you forever! laugh

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#44519 - 09/09/15 02:42 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Ichil]
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where are you putting the cab loader in the daw?
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#44520 - 09/09/15 05:49 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Christophersad]
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There's something that doesn't seems right: Eleven Rig L/R are "INPUTS" in Reaper and I cannot use them as outputs.
Please, can you post some screenshots of the configuration screen of the track?
Thanks a lot!

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#44521 - 09/09/15 06:05 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Ichil]
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Yes Chris cab loader is in the Daw. I am using Poulin lecab2 for now, but you can use any one you want. Ichil, what Sequncer are you using? I am using mine with Reaper. I will try and do some screen shots of my routing in Reaper.


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#44522 - 09/09/15 06:11 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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so you are going guitar>11r>di signal>reaper track>le pou vst>back into 11r to reamp, and in this case you are putting cab 1st in the chain if i get it right
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#44523 - 09/09/15 06:15 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Christophersad]
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Duh, I meant re-amp out L and/or Right, sorry about that. I am still figuring out all combo's that work in Reaper. All your doing is changing the rig input to re-amp and everything else is pretty much the same.

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#44524 - 09/09/15 06:35 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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Here is a pic of the routing in Reaper.


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#44525 - 09/09/15 06:37 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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You're probably just reamping through 11r your dry signal processed through VSTs. This means that you're putting the cab before the amp, as Christopher said.
EDIT: Saw the screenshot. Yes, you're putting the cab before the amp. smile
This is the standard reamping configuration. smile
The quest isn't over! laugh


Edited by Ichil (09/09/15 06:40 PM)

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#44526 - 09/09/15 07:21 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Ichil]
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Ah shit, I guess you guys are right. I was thinking it didn't sound right after awhile, the excitement must have had me hearing things I wanted to hear, lol. I'm no Reaper expert, but man, not hearing the doubling and the new version of Reaper...., had me thinking this was it. frown

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#44527 - 09/09/15 07:29 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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Anyone have anything in the works for fixing this? I mean, wouldn't all it take, is a new driver, to add the asio directing monitoring feature, needed to shut off the main signal??? I wish someone would hack this thing already, lol. Reaper won't add Asio Direct monitoring, for some reason. I don't think it would matter if they did anyway. Why does it work in Pro Tools? I hate Pro Tools, arghhh.

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#44528 - 09/09/15 09:10 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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Maybe you don't have the solution for cabinet loading, but you've stumbled upon a way to do some signal boosting/shaping and that's still pretty cool. I sometimes play around with the DI a bit during reamps using some EQ and Tubedriver or some plugin that livens up the signal more/makes it more "active" than your basic guitar in dry signal. I've never been able to get it "on the way in" like that to see how it actually feels though, but I've made impulses with it after the cabinet. Not quite the same.

You also have perhaps a real time saver, an opportunity to set a pre-eq that works across the board for presets made for other guitars or something.

But really all we want is to switch cabs, I feel your pain. But I finally broke down and got the EPSi IR loader. For the same price, I probably could have gotten another sound card so it would handle the input monitoring, but who knows what kind of issues would happen with latency and such with that configuration. The EPSi is pretty amazing, I've made some 5 second cabinet IRs with reverb tails and stuff that would bog down my recording software for sure, and there's no latency. That's well worth the $200.
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#44529 - 09/09/15 09:23 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: TLTD]
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Also I still think on this whole thing, if it can work in Pro Tools, there's a way to run some code that works for any other DAW. Like when I had Echo Audio's Mia sound card, it echo'd the input by default, and I had to go into the settings and shut that off so I could finally use Peavey ReValver without always hearing that dry signal.

I swear that they knew this and made it so you have to use Pro Tools to get these features. That's how they getcha, as I always say with these things.

Once somebody hacks into this, you also have that whole ability to use almost any amp sim that comes out in the future too. I think though that there's still some latency in all this that can only be avoided by using the EPSi in the FX Loop (and even that adds a tiny bit of latency due the the FX Loop adding 2 or 3 milliseconds, but isn't noticeable as the input monitoring latency).

All said, I am EXTREMELY happy that I can reamp in Cakewalk quite easily and switch cabs on the fly with the Logidy EPSi and tweak presets with the official standalone Eleven Rack editor. Real time saver. And there's little need for post processing these days because I'm getting exactly what I always wanted.
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#44530 - 09/09/15 09:27 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: TLTD]
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I guess there is a bright side, as far as, the boost factor goes. Thanks for making me feel better. I have ran the 11r through 2 different sound cards and it just kills it somehow. I have tried spdif, aes, etc.. good quality ones too, and it kills that," alive", feel of the eleven rack. It does sound good in Pro-Tools, but that's it. I guess I will go for an epsi maybe, at least with the epsi, there is no limit to length of the ir, correct? I just can't justify spending 2k on a axe for home modeling, I would rather buy a Soldano, or a Bogner.

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#44531 - 09/09/15 09:29 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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Originally Posted By: B32
I guess there is a bright side, as far as, the boost factor goes. Thanks for making me feel better. I have ran the 11r through 2 different sound cards and it just kills it somehow. I have tried spdif, aes, etc.. good quality ones too, and it kills that," alive", feel of the eleven rack. It does sound good in Pro-Tools, but that's it. I guess I will go for an epsi maybe, at least with the epsi, there is no limit to length of the ir, correct? I just can't justify spending 2k on a axe for home modeling, I would rather buy a Soldano, or a Bogner.


I'm not sure what the limits are, but I made an 8 second one I think. There's not much need for anything longer than that I wouldn't think. I made one with a delay too, I didn't even know that could actually work, so unlocking some new dimensions to play around with higher quality effects.
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#44536 - 09/10/15 06:31 AM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: TLTD]
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Having downloaded PT First, I plan to monitor which signals are sent to the 11R via USB when PT shuts down direct monitoring. It's not an easy task for me, but I really want to try this (but I'm not in a hurry, I want to play guitar foremost! smile ).

B32 you don't have to feel bad! laugh
I've never thought before of using this configuration to monitor in real time VSTs positioned before the 11R amps. Very useful for me for a project in which I will use 2 delays at the same time on a clean sound. wink

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#44538 - 09/10/15 12:30 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: Ichil]
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Well, I'm glad it will be of some use. The asio direct monitoring is definitely where the 11r is muted in pro-tools, If you could figure out something that would work for other daws, that would awesome. I may try the dual delay thing too, vst delay, in front and the 11r internal delay, great idea. Or a real tube screamer in front would be nice too.

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#44541 - 09/10/15 06:18 PM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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well that for sure have an use b32 wink you should feel well nontheless smile
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#44545 - 09/11/15 05:21 AM Re: FINALLY A Solotion for Impulse Responses [Re: B32]
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Originally Posted By: B32
The asio direct monitoring is definitely where the 11r is muted in pro-tools, If you could figure out something that would work for other daws, that would awesome.

If this is a feature that AVID drivers reserve only to PT there's not much to do, but I'll try to figure it out nonetheless

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