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#39954 - 06/26/14 10:00 PM Logidy Epsi C review *****
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what i have hear is one fantastic piece of gear, at a price that is simply stupid. $199 shipped to your house. what we have here is the ability to load ANY IR cabinet tone into your rig. this is a game changer.

the factory IR's are ok, better than most modelers. they don't have that annoying fizz at least. most of them are fairly midrange heavy, but good for guitar. loading IR's are fairly simple: copy and paste the IR's onto the SD card that comes with the Epsi. be sure to put a 3 digit number before the name so you can identify it when it loads up. the Epsi only displays a number like 101, 102, 306, etc. the factory presets start at 100. my personally loaded new favorite IR is loaded at location 000, so it's real easy to find.

Here's a list of the factory stock cabs. It's basically the same ones twice... one with some of the room characteristics added in and one without.

100 1X12 Celestion Blue.wav
101 1X12 Jensen P12R.wav
102 1X15 Jensen C15.wav
103 2X12 Alnico Blue.wav
104 2X12 Alnico Silver.wav
105 2X12 Jensen C12N.wav
106 2X12 JBL D120.wav
107 2X12 Roland JC120.wav
108 2X12 Celestion G12M25.wav
109 2X12 Celestion G12H30.wav
110 2X15 JBL D130.wav
200 4X12 Sheffiled 1200.wav
201 4X12 Celestion G12L.wav
202 4X12 Celestion G12H30.wav
203 4X12 Celestion G12M20.wav
204 4X12 Celestion G12M25.wav
205 4X12 Celestion G12M.wav
206 4X12 Celestion G12T75.wav
207 4X12 Celestion G12T75.wav
208 4X12 Celestion V30.wav
209 4X12 Celestion V30.wav
210 4X12 Celestion V30.wav
211 4X12 Celestion V30.wav
212 4X12 Celestion V30.wav
213 4X12 Eminence S12X.wav
214 4X12 Eminence Legend V12.wav
215 4X12 Fane 122231.wav
216 4X12 JBL K120.wav
217 4X10 Jensen P10Q.wav
300 1X12 Celestion Blue Room.wav
301 1X12 Jensen P12R Room.wav
302 1X15 Jensen C15 Room.wav
303 2X12 Alnico Blue Room.wav
304 2X12 Alnico Silver Room.wav
305 2X12 Jensen C12N Room.wav
306 2X12 JBL D120 Room.wav
307 2X12 Roland JC120 Room.wav
308 2X12 Celestion G12M25 Room.wav
309 2X12 Celestion G12H30 Room.wav
310 2X15 JBL D130 Room.wav
400 4X12 Sheffiled 1200 Room.wav
401 4X12 Celestion G12L Room.wav
402 4X12 Celestion G12H30 Room.wav
403 4X12 Celestion G12M20 Room.wav
404 4X12 Celestion G12M25 Room.wav
405 4X12 Celestion G12M Room.wav
406 4X12 Celestion G12T75 Room.wav
407 4X12 Celestion G12T75 Room.wav
408 4X12 Celestion V30 Room.wav
409 4X12 Celestion V30 Room.wav
410 4X12 Celestion V30 Room.wav
411 4X12 Celestion V30 Room.wav
412 4X12 Celestion V30 Room.wav
413 4X12 Eminence S12X Room.wav
414 4X14 Eminence Legend V12 Room.wav
415 4X12 Fane 122231 Room.wav
416 4X12 JBL K120 Room.wav
417 4X10 Jensen P10Q Room.wav


the first problem most people will run into is "which cabinet do i like the best?" this is where you can get sucked down the rabbit hole and never play again....only tweak and load more cabinets. let me give you some advice: cabinet sims are like pornography, and can be very addicting. pick one cabinet (like having one wife) and be monogamous. in the real world, most of us would have one great cabinet and a rack of doom. the key here is to find that one cabinet quickly and stick with it for awhile. always use that cabinet as a reference for whether or not you want to switch to another cabinet.

i think i've settled in on one cabinet sim right now, it's based on a Scumback M75 (pre-Rola Greenback clone). it's an Ownhammer IR, from the studio vintage mix i believe. this cabinet just sounds great for my personal taste. i feel like i have my entire old rack back and it's mic'd up properly in the studio. no fizz, no weirdness, just smooth tone. best part is that i am NOT having to use ANY post amp eq at all to get good tone!

if you have a modeler and are sitting on the fence thinking about a better rig.....get the Logidy Epsi C. put it in your effects loop and disable your mfx unit cabinet sim. many modelers have a great preamp section and some even have a good power amp section, but the cabinets are the fizzy downfall. this will get you into the axe-fx/kemper ballpark (tonally). if your modeler happens to have great effects, then you are even closer to the big dogs.

i'm using the Epsi with a Rocktron Prophesy II, which has pretty nasty cab sims by itself...not fizzy, just not smooth. with this rig i can get all kinds of great tone, with effects spillover to boot.

i can't wait to try the eleven rack and other mfx units through the Epsi, surely they will only sound a lot better.

will keep you guys posted, and clips to come.


Edited by singtall (06/26/14 10:14 PM)

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#39956 - 06/27/14 08:18 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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holy s&&$T ... I see GAS coming...

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#39959 - 06/27/14 02:54 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: rublalup]
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Thank for the review, Singtall

Waiting to hear how it will work with the Eleven Rack.

I have three modelers, I am currently trying to choose one from for live use.
Eleven Rack/Powered Speaker (EV els112p)
Line 6 HD500 used with DT50H (4x12 Cab)
Scuffham S Gear(computer/audio interface) with the EV powered speaker.

The Eleven Rack in my home studio sounded great, but when I took it out of the room it sounded "thin and digital" Your advice and setting gigs (patches) helped
but I think the Logidy might help with the "thin and digital" I may go back to a power amp and 4 X 12 Marshall with Celestians

The Line 6 sounded very good until I blew up the head, (power transformer, currently in the shop.

I do love the way the S Gear sounds thru my Mackie HR824's (original) in the studio. and could possibly use the Logidy with this setup.

So I am anxious to hear how it sounds with the Eleven Rack.

Thanks again,
BMoe

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#39961 - 06/27/14 03:22 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: BMoe]
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I'm going gas gas gas I'm going gas gas gas agaiiiin!
Rhoss, did you had a chance to try the effects in the other software version of the epsi?


Edited by Christophersad (06/27/14 03:23 PM)
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#39962 - 06/27/14 05:00 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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i haven't tried the reverb, but i bet it's fantastic based on what i've heard so far. this unit is as good as the IR you load into it.

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#39963 - 06/27/14 05:59 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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i searched for some weird ir based effects,but i didnt have any luck finding it, do you know anything i can try?
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#39965 - 06/27/14 10:32 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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not yet.

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#39966 - 06/27/14 10:33 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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i just loaded up every Scumback 75 IR from the Ownhammer pack that i bought and went through all of them. 3 of them are my immediate favorites. while i was testing my soundcard, i went to youtube.com and was listening to Mark Day play his "monster tone" preset from the axe-fx II. i decided to try duplicating that sound with a rocktron prophesy/epsi combo. wasn't as hard as i thought. it appears that the IR greatly determines the overall sound. some minor pre-eq tweaks and i was getting a very similar tone.

i believe that the Epsi with the right IR has no problem helping a modeler get into the axe-fx/kemper territory (tonally)....effects are another story though.

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#39970 - 06/28/14 09:06 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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excuse the rusty playing....and i'm not trying to clone Jake's tone on this clip, i'm just jamming.

https://soundcloud.com/singtall/prophesy-epsi-ownhammer-scumback-75

this feels like a real cabinet. i haven't made any presets yet, this is just the stock prophesy British preamp with no post eq. tone knobs at: B-5, M-2.3, T-6.3, P-6. I'm still learning how to operate the prophesy with the Epsi in the loop. right now i have to keep the master vol at 2 so that my presets aren't much louder than the rest of the stock stuff.

tomorrow i try the eleven rack with the Epsi.


Edited by singtall (06/28/14 09:18 PM)

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#39975 - 06/29/14 02:05 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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same cab sim used in the Epsi for both preamps. prophesy british channel. eleven rack soldano drive. i had too much presence on the soldano amp model, so you can hear that it has a little more bite, but you can dial both of these preamps to sound very similar. this tells me that the Epsi will bridge the gap between modelers. IR plays a large part in the final tone.

https://soundcloud.com/singtall/prophesy-vs-eleven-rack

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#39978 - 06/29/14 04:52 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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the other thing i learned is that the eleven rack cabs are workable. granted i had to use an eq to "fix" and eleven rack cab, it WAS possible. you don't have to use an Epsi to get a good tone, but it does offer some good options.

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#39998 - 07/01/14 09:27 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Hi!
Singtall, did you test the epsi with some other high gain presets on the eleven rack?
There is often some fizz with some amp-cab-mic combination when the gain is high.
I'm very interested in this little box!

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#39999 - 07/01/14 04:41 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: AlexDinn]
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with the Epsi, there are only cabs that you want, with no fizz. you could load a fizzy cab if you wanted to, but none in there by default.

the default cabs are more mids heavy with zero fizz. the cab i loaded (that you can hear in the clip) actually has a little fizz or high end, but it's not obnoxious.

you are correct, there are certain eleven rack cab/mic combos that will fry your ears. i tried to dial all of that fizz on on the superpack presets.

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#40000 - 07/01/14 09:58 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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the following presets represents over 3 hours of my time to try to get a preset to sound very close to the eleven rack with Epsi. the cab sim/mic/eq curve i chose is about the best i can do without using a second eq that i normally reserve for pre-amp model use.

hopefully you guys will enjoy this preset:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Scumback%2075.tfx

try changing the amp model to another amp to see which amps sound best through that speaker setup. i find that low/mid gain amps with plenty of mids works the best.

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#40023 - 07/03/14 12:33 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Have you tried coming out of the 11r 1/4" amp out puts to the Epsi C the to the amp or guitar to Epsi to 11r to amp?

Sounds good so far but will wait before jumping in.

I wonder what my MXR FullBore Metal petal to Epsi to direct box to the church pa would sound like.

Try it with bias please and let us know how it is, and would the Epsi be any hope for the GNX4? Still don't know what to do with that thing. LoL
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#40026 - 07/03/14 07:42 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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So Singtall

The $200 question for all of us with major EPSI GAS is: Would say this adds significantly to improving the tone of the 11 Rack? (for the sake of this question lets exclude all other gear) i.e is the EPSI a must have purchase for an 11 rack owner?

or

As you demonstrated in your last set of presets, no, because with a little work the orange box can get you to the same point?

I thought this would be an important question for all of us hiding a couple of Benjamins (or planning on selling our homes smirk coughXcough!! smirk smirk ) for covert gear purchases from our significant others wink wink whistle smirk

(What that old thing? Oh I've had that forever, I think it was given to me at my baby shower...whistle whistle)
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#40030 - 07/03/14 08:18 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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i set out to answer that question for myself the other day when i made that preset.

it took me about 3 hours to come up with that preset. while it is a close approximation, it's not perfectly on the money. the Epsi tone is a bit more focused and has a thicker single note feel. i would pick the Epsi tone over the preset i made. if i took the pre-eq and placed it after the amp, i'm sure i could get the tone much closer....but then i lose my front end shaping and the amp feels like crap again.

i tweak the eleven rack as a part time job, and i still can't get the tone perfectly there. the Epsi is just plain easy to get good tone from. for $218 i got the Epsi and 500 professional IR's made in a studio. it's a no-brainer for me.

the Epsi is well worth the money to me. i play every day now because i have a "REAL" rig tone at my fingertips. i liked the eleven rack before, and i like it even better now. but that's my experience. i have tweaked so much because i was never 100% happy with any one preset for very long.

the tone i have now was the same tone i had with the axe-fx II, and it took me a long time to get there with the axe-fx.

IR is everything my friend.

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#40031 - 07/03/14 10:23 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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OK Ross I think you have convinced me cool Its about time I purchased another piece of gear I do not have time to use! grin Well who do you think keeps the US economy ticking over!!! grin grin
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#40035 - 07/03/14 03:04 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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I would say it is definitely worth the $$$.

I don't have the EPSi - but I have a 2 Notes Torpedo - which I've loaded the same IR package into and am using it the same way as Ross is.

I downsized to a Zoom G3X (looooooong story) as my primary modeler. My rig is:

guitar -> G3X -> Torpedo -> M9 -> PA

I am using the G3X for a wah, drive pedal and amp model. The Torpedo is using the same IR Ross is talking about. M9 for effects/lead boost.

Before the IR - I was pulling EQs from wherever I could - a couple in the Zoom (pre and post amp model) and from the Torpedo (it has a five band graphic EQ) in attempt to dial the tone in - always tweaking, adjusting, never quite getting there.

Since the IR - I just play. No EQ except the amp model tone stack - and it just sounds/feels/responds like my rig back in the tube amp days. There are several that have risen to the top of my "favorites" list. They take all the guess work out of it. It's easy... pick a speaker cab that you might have selected in a real cabinet - match up the preamp - and get back to playing rather than tweaking.

Actually, I do still tweak - but now to get greater breadth of presets. I dialed in a dozen or so - and even with the "do they still sound good the next day, and the day after, and the day after" smoke test - still makin me smile!

For me - if I didn't have the 2 Notes Torpedo CAB I would definitely get the EPSi - and the Ownhamer IR pack (or whoever your favorite IR provider is).

Just my $.02 worth... but I was really surprised... pleasantly so.
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#40036 - 07/03/14 04:00 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: dmock66]
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You had me at as good as an AXE-FX! I ordered it about 30 minutes after reading Ross's post!! grin What can I say I can resist anything but temptation and I have been eyeing the EPSi for a while and just need a gentle push! !!
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#40037 - 07/03/14 04:27 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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for the people that don't have the extra cash to buy the Epsi, but already have the singtall superpack, i will be attempting to copy some of my favorite Ownhammer IR's and make eleven rack presets. of course the presets will be MY favorite IR's and they may not be perfect for your need. but i will be adding some new presets to the modded heads folder that attempt to clone some Ownhammer IR's.

if you check the preset that i posted, you will hear that it works with the JCM800 and even clean tones.....but try a recto and you will be very disappointed unless you add a tube screamer and crank the amp's mid control. this is one lesson that i learned with the axe-fx; a cabinet that works with one amp may sound terrible with another amp. a recto NEEDS a midrange heavy speaker to sound good. they designed the amp around a V30 and voiced it accordingly. the marshall amps are voiced around a mid scooped speaker, so they voice the amp with plenty-o-mids.

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#40038 - 07/03/14 04:47 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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Originally Posted By: Rushian
You had me at as good as an AXE-FX! I ordered it about 30 minutes after reading Ross's post!! grin What can I say I can resist anything but temptation and I have been eyeing the EPSi for a while and just need a gentle push! !!


But arw you going to buy a new house too??? laugh
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#40039 - 07/03/14 04:52 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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if you check the preset that i posted, you will hear that it works with the JCM800 and even clean tones.....but try a recto and you will be very disappointed unless you add a tube screamer and crank the amp's mid control. this is one lesson that i learned with the axe-fx; a cabinet that works with one amp may sound terrible with another amp. a recto NEEDS a midrange heavy speaker to sound good. they designed the amp around a V30 and voiced it accordingly. the marshall amps are voiced around a mid scooped speaker, so they voice the amp with plenty-o-mids.


This in my mind just brings up a thought,how fantastic are todays modelers for us guitarists? We can get pretty much every sound We Want with less than €500 and some knobs twists...
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#40040 - 07/03/14 07:39 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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i spent another couple hours trying to duplicate a smooth English V30 Ownhammer IR.....with ok results. i used two eq's this time and still couldn't get it on the money. i got it more focused sounding though.

try this cabinet with other amp models as well and see how you fare:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Big%20Red%20E%20V30.tfx

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#40041 - 07/03/14 08:06 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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i'm figuring out some things about the eleven rack cab sims compared to the real deal. one thing that i've learned is to go into the eleven rack para eq after the amp and set the high filter to "notch", then set it at 4.3k with a Q of about 6. this will get rid of the initial brightness that gives you ear fatigue. adjust Q to taste.

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#40043 - 07/05/14 06:38 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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What is the signal chain,is it in the loop or after the output, iam trying to hold off on the axe, well really $2500.00 is holding me off more...... Thanks

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#40053 - 07/05/14 05:48 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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i put the Epsi in the effects loop, and placed the loop right after the amp model. then i turned off the 11R speaker and used just the loop for a cabinet. set effects loop input about 9:00 so it doesn't clip, output about 3:00, and mix to 100%.

the Epsi has killed some Axe-fx gas for me (for now). if you are a meat and potatoes tone guy, then the Epsi is the answer. if you are an effect junky, then only the axe-fx will satisfy.

Honestly, you could put a cheap distortion pedal in front of the Epsi and get a decent tone.

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#40056 - 07/05/14 06:32 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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hey rhoss i tried the last preset you uploaded, and its very very tight and bity, i rolled back in a good amount of high mid in the 2nd para eq and some mids +high on the amp, cause it sounded a bit boomy in my setup, good preset.
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#40059 - 07/05/14 06:49 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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it was a bit boomy in mine also, but that's how the original IR sounded too.

was that last preset using the Mesa MKII? if so, the amp's controls only really control the tone that goes before the distortion....kinda like a variable pickup eq. the good/bad thing is that they also added in a scooped eq after the amp that you can't change. it's a little too scooped, hence the boomy bass and shrill highs. nothing an eq can't fix though.

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#40060 - 07/05/14 06:57 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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it was the one with bogner red channel,what i really liked was the bite and grain of dirstortion
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#40063 - 07/05/14 09:27 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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oh yeah, the Red. i was initially working with the MKII, then i switched to the Red to see how that cab would work out. after hearing the scooped MKII sound i probably took the Red to extremes in tone. i was ear fried i guess. it least the mids were right. lol

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#40094 - 07/07/14 04:01 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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i did a couple of tweaking to your presets rhoss, one is a plain amp substitution with an m2 lead , the other one keep the bogner but change some eq settings both in para eq and amp control, i found the one with eq tweak sound good even with mk2 and modern sod,tell me what u think smile

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1b14la72glcb6w/AACu7FHOtvqHEAo7kD7qR_5ga
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#40098 - 07/07/14 08:38 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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not sure who starting calling me rhoss, but it's spelled Ross. lol.

i'll try to check out the preset tomorrow when i get home.

the idea behind the presets was to provide a cab/mic/eq setup that closely emulates the real Ownhammer IR. it should translate well if you switch amp models, as long as it's an amp that works with that cab in general. V30 cabs should work with the more scooped amps like the Mesa's.

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#40099 - 07/07/14 11:46 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Ops sry for the spelling I'm terrible when it comes to names,but Ross is shorter than singtall,and when u write trough an iPhone each letter is a pain lol sry again.
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#40173 - 07/08/14 12:57 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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Dude I hate to beat a dead horse but you just kinda skipped my question over....

Have you tried coming out of the 11r 1/4" amp outputs to the Epsi C to the amp or guitar to Epsi to 11r to amp?



Try it with bias please and let us know how it is, and would the Epsi be any hope for the GNX4? Still don't know what to do with that thing. LoL
))))))))))))))))

I don't see that thing at GC did you get it direct from the Logidy?
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#40179 - 07/08/14 05:41 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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the Epsi wasn't designed for line level, so i haven't tried coming out of the eleven rack 1/4" out. it works perfect in the effects loop, plus you can put the epsi right after the amp instead of it being stuck in a place where you wouldn't want it.

speaking of a place you wouldn't want it: you would not want to run your guitar into it and then into the eleven rack or any other gear. the epsi loads an IR, which for all intents and purposes is just a fancy eq that rolls of highs. if you put your guitar into it, you get a crappy guitar tone....that's it.

i would ONLY use the Epsi in an effects loop or at very low volume coming out of your gnx4, or it will clip and sound nasty. the output of most effects units are made for line level, which is much too hot for the Epsi. the Epsi is made for stomp box level. so yes, you could run it as a stomp box after your distortion pedal, then into any amp.

to use it with Bias; you would have to find a way to come out of your device 1'4" with low stomp box level. not my department, so i can't help with that.

i bought the Epsi direct from Logidy for $199 shipped.

Ownhammer modern IR pack was $19 and includes about 500 IR's.

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#40189 - 07/09/14 07:56 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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So, the EPSi arrived on Monday and I still have not found any time to plug it in and play... frown ...damn I need to win the lottery so I can do the fun stuff......instead of working to pay the bills...... mad mad
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#40190 - 07/09/14 08:08 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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i hear that. i don't get the time in the mancave that i want for sure. i didn't get a chance to even look at a guitar yesterday.

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#40191 - 07/09/14 06:07 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Hey Ross, is this thing really the real deal, got a birthday coming up and not sure if I should ask my wife for it, (I knew I was blessed with a great wife when I had a wampler ego compressor under the Christmas tree last year) any way,saving up for Prs s2, I really like the necks on these, or just have her donate to my savings fund for the guitar. I know you're a sound guru, so I trust your judgment, thanks.......... Zac

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#40192 - 07/09/14 07:15 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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the Epsi is the real deal my friend. it will transform your 11R into a rig closer to the axe-fx. the biggest deal for me on the axe-fx was the ability to load an IR that sounded like a particular cabinet, or better yet....the sound of MY cabinet. the cabs in the 11R are actually quite good compared to other modelers out there, but they are no match for a good studio mixed IR. the 11R has one cab with one mic, on/off axis....that's it. in the real world, i would only mic a cabinet like that live, where people can't really tell how my real tone is. in the studio; i would use several mics to capture the best the cabinet has to offer.....and that's what Ownhammer did. i am currently using mic mixes from their modern collection and i am blown away by how good it sounds and feels. feel is a bigger deal to me than sound is. i can load up an IR that feels great to me, regardless of how it sounds, then reamp a choose the preset that sounds best. so i get to have it both ways. you can also get that amp in the room tone, which we all chase after.

if you are already happy with the 11R, which most of us were, then you don't really NEED the Epsi....but it is awesome to have.

the one thing the Epsi will do to you is take you down the rabbit hole of options that can paralyze you like the axe-fx does.

my advice (which i took) is to pick only 1 each of your favorite of any IR cab type (V30, scumback m75, scumback h75, greenback, etc) and use just it instead of going through 40 options every time you play. you will quickly learn that some cabs work well with certain amp types, and that's it.

for example:
scumback m75 - subdued highs and lows, works great for low gain rock.
scumback h75 - has more highs and lows than m75, good for 80's metal
V30 - mid peak - works well with all scooped designed amps like the Recto. general decent cab with most amps.
K100 - Djent and metal.

i plan on doing some demos of what cabs sound best with what amps. i have only gone thru maybe 60 or so of the cabs that i bought from Ownhammer, so i need to finish checking it all out soon.

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#40193 - 07/09/14 08:58 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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i'm going on a paid work vacation on the 11th-? in Florida. but before i go, i wanted to give out some new presets. these presets are Ownhammer IR inspired. try using different amps and tweaking the eq to taste. they aren't perfectly dead on the money presets, but they are close enough for most people. the biggest thing you will notice is the lack of ear biting fizz. i think the eleven rack in general suffers from too much upper mid/highs from 4.3k up. you have to have some fizz to sound real, but not THAT much. i also like to add some low mid bump around 275hz or so, so if you don't like the in-the-room tone, cut that back to 0db.

i feel like i have done my most significant cabinet eq discoveries since i got the Epsi and Ownhammer IR pack. hopefully you guys will agree. i would like to hear from some of you guys using full range speakers, let me know what these sound like.

as usual, these presets will also be in the singtall superpack updates available for download.

***before you play anything else on your 11R, please try these presets with a fresh ear. once you get used to the feel/tone, try your old favorite presets and see how much harshness you hear on your old stuff. this might be an ear opener.***

download link:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Ownhammer%20inspired.zip

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#40199 - 07/10/14 07:25 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I put my order In, so about three weeks , I should get it. What would happen if you ran a stomp box into the espi and then into a power engine, I wonder would it improve the sound or change it

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#40200 - 07/10/14 08:28 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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the Epsi is basically a cabinet simulator. you can run a simple distortion pedal into it, then out to a pa system or full range speaker and get great results.

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#40205 - 07/13/14 08:21 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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try out the Singtall MKII0 preset. i liked it already, but i like it even more after hearing Marcus shred it up using that preset:

http://youtu.be/mfv35URC8lA

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#40209 - 07/13/14 05:04 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Ok, so finally tried out the EPSi using the supplied ir's and first impressions are that there is a subtle yet significant difference.

I tried it with both clean and dirty rigs and stuck to two factory presets (10 Cent Sack & Snappy Tweed).

The best way I can describe it is, that there is a more 3 dimensional sound (i.e better soundstage). It's the kind of difference you would hear between a very good set of HiFi speakers vs a really great pair!

Only limitation I have found so far is that it would nice to have midi control over it so you could change the ir to match the rig on the 11 rack instead of having to dial it in on the EPSi.

Overall I am pleased with the purchase, next step is to try some of 3rd party ir's...when I find time again!


Edited by Rushian (07/14/14 07:35 AM)
Edit Reason: fixed spilling mistooks!
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#40211 - 07/13/14 06:19 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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I got to thinking, I ran amp outs into my interface, turning off cabs and into sgear with just the cabs on or redwires impulse loader, isn't this the same thing as running the espi, since my Eleven Rack doesn't leave home, I wonder do I need it now?

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#40212 - 07/13/14 07:08 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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After reading through all that and watching countless videos on youtube with either torpedo live's or the logidy I figured I'd give it a shot using IR's with the 11R.

Unfortunately I can't load the IR after the amp and before my post eq so this isn't 100% but I can see where this unit will be a huge benefit.

I had downloaded a ton of redwirez IR's a while back as well as the messiah pack and decided to start thumbing through them.

After about 3 hours, my ears are dead. I am not sure what sounds good or bad or if my 11R is fizzy or not. Hopefully you guys can let me know what sounds better.

The first section is the 11R using my regular presets and the following cabs:

L = 5150-Sheffield200s-SM57-Cone-2in
R = MArshall1960B-V30s-R121-Cap-12in

After a few hours these sounded good to me but again my ears are dead.

The second is my usual setup.

11R Test - Impulses - NARSH
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#40213 - 07/13/14 07:14 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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yes and no.

with the Epsi, you can put the cabinet right after the amp, but before the effects. you can't do that in real time on the computer. if you are recording without effects then no problem.

depending on the app, you can't listen to the IR in realtime without some serious latency. not sure about sgear though.

the Ownhammer modern collection of IR's get my vote. try the mixed versions. i find the IR's with solid state amp and several mics sound the best. the Ownhammer IR's sound much more like a real cabinet than the stock stuff.

i really only use one cab for the most part, but i'm starting to like certain cabs with certain amp models. midi would be nice. maybe a future version.

final thought; if you try some IR's and like what you hear, the Epsi is for you.

i spoke to the Logidy main guy (who is pretty cool by the way) and he is talking about adding a clip indicator. we spoke by email about having the display read out something in 3 digits like CLI for clip. we shall see what develops.

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#40215 - 07/13/14 08:16 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I have no latency that at least I can hear, the sgear effects are actually quite good, I would say awfully close to the Eleven Rack, but I see your point, I will download ownhammer and see, it is really mind-boggling just for one cabinet how many options there are, like I said before iam not much of a tweaker, so I get bored pretty fast trying countless cabs, probably good I don't have a Axe fx, the redwire loader has six slots so you can go hog wild loading all the different cabs, but ear fatigue sets in fast, what package did you get Ross? I see some for $19.00, is that the ones...... Thanks Zac

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#40219 - 07/14/14 05:45 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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I really like the ownhammer, thanks for the tip, I didn't even realize the effects came after the cab, just not that much into tweaking, I figured like the old days, everything was after the guitar

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#40220 - 07/14/14 06:57 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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i bought the Ownhammer modern mix for $19.

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#40221 - 07/14/14 07:39 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: NARSH]
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i checked out the clip Narsh and they i like the warmth of the first cabs, they are a little too dark. the second ones are more appropriate for that style anyway.

you need to be able to tweak your amp and eq based on the cabinet sound in real time. not every cabinet works with every head. and not every good cab/amp/mic combo is good for a given style of music.

you already have your tone pretty close to cd ready, so the Epsi may not be a must-have device for you. for me, it opened a lot of doors tonally. there are lighter gain tones that have eluded me because the 11R cabs have too much bite, and i didn't know how to dial it out until i had the Epsi with Ownhammer IR's to compare to.

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#40222 - 07/14/14 09:41 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Thanks singtall.

I like having options and the epsi is a good buy. I may wait a bit though. My tone is almost exactly where I want it, and after A/Bing it with fresh ears I like my current tone best.

I ended up returning the pod hd and have $200 in an amazon gift card so I was looking for a quick buy. I guess I'll just pickup a 5 string bass or something along those lines so I don't have to retune everytime I pick up a guitar.
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#40281 - 07/22/14 07:06 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: BMoe]
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Thank for the review, Singtall

Waiting to hear how it will work with the Eleven Rack.

I have three modelers, I am currently trying to choose one from for live use.
Eleven Rack/Powered Speaker (EV els112p)
Line 6 HD500 used with DT50H (4x12 Cab)
Scuffham S Gear(computer/audio interface) with the EV powered speaker.

The Eleven Rack in my home studio sounded great, but when I took it out of the room it sounded "thin and digital" Your advice and setting gigs (patches) helped
but I think the Logidy might help with the "thin and digital" I may go back to a power amp and 4 X 12 Marshall with Celestians

The Line 6 sounded very good until I blew up the head, (power transformer, currently in the shop.

I do love the way the S Gear sounds thru my Mackie HR824's (original) in the studio. and could possibly use the Logidy with this setup.

So I am anxious to hear how it sounds with the Eleven Rack.

Thanks again,
BMoe




BMoe.. I'd start by suggesting that you copy the preset or bank that you want to use outside your room at gig volumes.. and crank up the volume to whatever you use.. then tweak the patch at THAT volume for use in THAT environment.. if that makes sense on only one cup of coffee... things change with the increases in volume with certain frequencies.
Then the other thing to consider is that the room does affect the overall tone.. the size, the shape.. the height of the ceiling.. carpet.. seat cushions.. number of peeps in the room.. all this stuff physically affects tone.. more peeps or carpet or drapes on the walls of a theater/venue.. soundcheck in an empty room can sound awesome and then when there are butts in the seats.. it can dull a little bit due to more dampening.
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#40371 - 07/29/14 05:46 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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same cab sim used in the Epsi for both preamps. prophesy british channel. eleven rack soldano drive. i had too much presence on the soldano amp model, so you can hear that it has a little more bite, but you can dial both of these preamps to sound very similar. this tells me that the Epsi will bridge the gap between modelers. IR plays a large part in the final tone.

https://soundcloud.com/singtall/prophesy-vs-eleven-rack


Sounds great man! I have been contemplating the C.A.B. but for half the cost this might be the way to go. I do like that the C.A.B. does power tube emulation as well but not sure it warrants the additional cost.

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#40381 - 07/30/14 02:34 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: JerEvil]
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Can somebody post a clip or video of the 11R with an internal speaker sim and with the Epsi to compare the difference? That would be extremely helpful!

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#40386 - 07/30/14 08:54 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Markus]
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i will try to work one up later today.

the difference is going to be that you can get a specific tone that the eleven rack may not have without using drastic eq. and in the end, the 11R only has so much eq to work with. when i tried getting the 11R to mimic one of the ownhammer IR's i used 2 parametric eq's and still couldn't get it quite there.

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#40389 - 07/30/14 10:19 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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i will try to work one up later today.

the difference is going to be that you can get a specific tone that the eleven rack may not have without using drastic eq. and in the end, the 11R only has so much eq to work with. when i tried getting the 11R to mimic one of the ownhammer IR's i used 2 parametric eq's and still couldn't get it quite there.


I certainly look forward to a comparison. I have some older IR's that I believe were done with some power amp coloration. I will have to check. They are the GuitarHack impulses.

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#40395 - 07/30/14 06:44 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: JerEvil]
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most of the guitarhack impulses sounded on par with the 11R, but not any warmer. the Ownhammer modern mixes are the warmest in the room tone i have ever heard.

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#40399 - 07/31/14 12:34 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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This thread is giving me SERIOUS GAS!!! shocked (Gear Acquisition Syndrome)
So bad I've dreamed about this thing the past 2 nights!!! tired crazy
my only draw back is I'll be bugging Ross grin to tell me all the settings I need to load into it... LOL Sorry Dude laugh
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#40403 - 07/31/14 08:27 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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turn off cabinet sim
turn on effects loop
effects loop input at 9:00, output at 3:00, mix at 100% (full)
done.

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#40404 - 07/31/14 08:32 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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Me too, right now using the own hammer irs, per Ross, through s-gear, and without a doubt they are heads and tails above, rewire and s-gear own irs . I couldn't tell any difference running through the fx loop or at the end of the chain, maybe a little but not enough to worry about it............


Not sure if I should get the espi or a laptop and run the sgear cab Sim, along with another 11 rack....

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#40405 - 07/31/14 08:37 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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+1 agree Ownhammer heads and tails above!
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#40640 - 08/19/14 08:20 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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Thank you ebay!!! grin

Hey jaminjimlp -

You won at $185.50! cool

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#40642 - 08/19/14 04:15 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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Nice Deal! So far only negative I have found is that you have to give up the effects loop (i.e effect loop has to go after amp. Small price for the improvement in sound.
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#40643 - 08/19/14 07:13 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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Originally Posted By: Rushian
Nice Deal! So far only negative I have found is that you have to give up the effects loop (i.e effect loop has to go after amp. Small price for the improvement in sound.


That's a deal breaker for me then, I have a Vox DelayLab in the loop, and I'm not willing to give it up.

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#40645 - 08/19/14 11:28 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: 68injunhed]
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now can somebody please post a video of a comparison of 11r cab sims and the Epsi c?

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#40646 - 08/20/14 07:45 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: 68injunhed]
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Originally Posted By: 68injunhed
That's a deal breaker for me then, I have a Vox DelayLab in the loop, and I'm not willing to give it up.


You can connect the EPSi to the outputs of the 11 Rack but then you are adding the IR after any 'post amp effects' and to my ears that did not sound the best...
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#40647 - 08/20/14 08:23 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Markus]
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Originally Posted By: Markus
now can somebody please post a video of a comparison of 11r cab sims and the Epsi c?


doing a comparison is problematic in that the cab IR's are night and day different, so depending on which one you hear first your conclusions will vary. if i start of with a nice warm scumback tone with in the room sound then go to ANY cab/mic combo in the eleven rack then you will hear the eleven rack sound like harsh nasty unusable crap, when in fact stock cabs can be eq'd to be usable.

i have some videos i've been working on, but i haven't had the time to edit them yet. stay tuned....

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#40648 - 08/20/14 10:22 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
doing a comparison is problematic in that the cab IR's are night and day different, so depending on which one you hear first your conclusions will vary. if i start of with a nice warm scumback tone with in the room sound then go to ANY cab/mic combo in the eleven rack then you will hear the eleven rack sound like harsh nasty unusable crap, when in fact stock cabs can be eq'd to be usable.


Could not agree more! For me the biggest plus of the EPSi is that it takes out all that fiddling with the EQ/speaker breakup, etc to get a usable tone. I am now using my 11 Rack more like a regular amp/effects set up now. i.e. pick your amp and tune effects to suit and you are good to go! grin

OK, maybe over simplifying the process, as you can spend a fair bit of time finding the right IR. But the more I explore Ownhammer IR's the more I am narrowing my choices.....
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#40649 - 08/20/14 11:49 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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i have a handful of IR's that i like out of the 100's of Ownhammer IR's i bought. the way i work it is to pick an IR of a particular speaker type (like Scumback H75) and load every version of it, then i dial up an amp with the first one and scroll them while tweaking on the amp until i find one or two magic IR's that just sound great to me. then i make note of which ones those are and rename them to move them to the start of my presets in the Epsi.

i have really 3-5 IR's that just work great with any amp i throw at them, and some work better than others. for example: Scumback M75 sounds great for rock-n-roll, H75 sounds better for metal, V30 works better for M2 amp model (because the amp is so scooped that it needs some midrange in the speaker).

and i find that the studio vintage mic mixes are my favorites over the modern live mixes. i think it's easier to start with a balanced midrange speaker, then dial in more highs if needed, than to start with too much highs and your ears get fried before you can dial it in right.

anybody that buys the Ownhammer modern mix, tell me your favorites.

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#40651 - 08/20/14 04:45 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: 68injunhed]
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Originally Posted By: 68injunhed
Originally Posted By: Rushian
Nice Deal! So far only negative I have found is that you have to give up the effects loop (i.e effect loop has to go after amp. Small price for the improvement in sound.


That's a deal breaker for me then, I have a Vox DelayLab in the loop, and I'm not willing to give it up.

cant you go 11r send ->vox delay-> vox selay out-->epsi in-->epsi out-->11r return ???


Edited by Christophersad (08/20/14 04:46 PM)
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#40652 - 08/20/14 05:01 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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Originally Posted By: Christophersad
cant you go 11r send ->vox delay-> vox selay out-->epsi in-->epsi out-->11r return ???


Yes but EPSi needs to go after the Amp Block as it is modeling Speakers/Cab/Microphone
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#40653 - 08/20/14 05:04 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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To be a little clearer you have to insert any effects after the Amp. This may be OK for Delay/Reverb, but may/is an issue for distortion/pitch/flange/phase type effects.
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#40654 - 08/20/14 05:14 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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yea but in his case he was talking about delay wink
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#40658 - 08/20/14 09:32 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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Anyone want to try a delay in the loop with the Epsi?

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#40664 - 08/21/14 02:48 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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Here's how I think a comparison would make sense:
- play something with a looper so you can repeat the identical guitar signal
- demonstrate the sound with the EPSi
- demonstrate the sound with the built-in speaker sim WITHOUT EQ
- then with the EQ used to tweak the speaker sim as good as possible

This would make clear how close you can get with the built-in stuff. And then I could easily decide if I think the difference that remains is worth the effort.
I know this involves quite some work - and of course I cannot urge anyone to do it. It's just that the EPSi isn't available in Germany, so I would have to order one from the US and not be able to give it back. And that is a risk if I don't know how much improvement it'll bring.
So if anybody would be willing to make a demo (soundcloud would do as well as video), I would be more than thankful!

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#40665 - 08/21/14 05:27 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Markus]
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These experiments can be run without the EPSI as well, if you want to know if it will work for your needs prior to purchase.

Just re-amp into your DAW with the cab in the 11R disabled, and use an IR loader in your DAW to record. There are some free ones out there I'm pretty sure. The reverb plug-in that is included with Reaper has had the capability for a long time for you to load your own IR (cab model or reverb/room model), so if you have Reaper (which is dirt cheap BTW) you can run this experiment.

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#40666 - 08/21/14 05:45 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: noguud]
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Originally Posted By: noguud
These experiments can be run without the EPSI as well, if you want to know if it will work for your needs prior to purchase.

Just re-amp into your DAW with the cab in the 11R disabled, and use an IR loader in your DAW to record. There are some free ones out there I'm pretty sure. The reverb plug-in that is included with Reaper has had the capability for a long time for you to load your own IR (cab model or reverb/room model), so if you have Reaper (which is dirt cheap BTW) you can run this experiment.



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#40667 - 08/21/14 07:38 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Christophersad]
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#40669 - 08/21/14 08:20 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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how can you make your own ir's, is it possible? I played some (.wav files with VLC) of the free one's from ownhammer and they were just little blip and that was it. I guess I need to do a Google search huh?

just checked usps tracking and my epsi will be here today grin
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#40670 - 08/21/14 08:39 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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I found this here

Recording Impulse Responses from Guitar Speakers
The sound of an electric guitar through a guitar amplifier is very heavily influenced by the frequency response and tonal color of the guitar speaker cabinet. If you make an impulse response from a guitar speaker cabinet, and then run a direct guitar amp signal through that impulse response in Space Designer (set to 100% wet), the direct signal will sound as if it was played through the speaker cabinet.

You will still need a microphone and audio interface to create an impulse response from a guitar speaker cabinet, but you won’t need an additional monitor speaker for the sine sweep—you will play the broadband sine wave into the guitar amp/speaker itself. If your guitar amplifier has an effects return, you can use it to create the impulse response. If your guitar amp does not have an effects return, you can either use a “re-amp” box (that will raise the impedance of your audio interface’s line out to the level required by your guitar amplifier at its input), or you can use a line level amplifier in place of your guitar amplifier (to amplify the sine sweep through the guitar cabinet).

You can experiment with microphone placement just as you would when miking a physical space, although the most common microphone placement is “close miking”—placing your microphone as near as one inch from the speaker itself. The illustration below shows how you might want to set up your guitar speaker cabinet when creating your impulse response.

Figure. Illustration of guitar amp microphone placement.



Space Designer is a convolution reverb effect for logic. I need one for PT10 or a stand alone... guess I'm kind of answering my own question.

If anyone knows of a way that's free or cheap? let me Know.


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#40679 - 08/22/14 12:35 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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I got it today had to upgrade the firm ware to b01 and to c01. got the Ownhammer modern and now the daunting task of renaming the files to 3 digit # in front of the names.... there's gotta be better way?!?!?!?!

I have found a way to do it with out using the mouse... have to click the first one twice slow hold left arrow until it is in front and then this sequence: type #, space, tab, hold left arrow until it is in front, repeat.


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#40684 - 08/22/14 01:24 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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yeah, renaming sucks. i loaded each type of speaker into a different 100's category like H75's to the 600's, and v30's to the 700's, etc. once i narrowed it to a few good choices i renamed them starting at 001, 002, etc.

i have maybe 3 that i really use right now, but those 3 are totally awesome.

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#40688 - 08/22/14 03:07 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I use this free software (Bulk Rename Utility) for renaming takes all the pain out of it!

http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Download.php
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#40690 - 08/22/14 04:10 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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i just added a number before the name, that way i could still remember which cabinets were which.

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#40691 - 08/22/14 04:25 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
i just added a number before the name, that way i could still remember which cabinets were which.


+1 I purchased both the classic and modern studio packs and using bulk renamer I did the same. Now it is a case of working through them all!
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#40692 - 08/22/14 07:05 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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thanks I'm going to try that freeware
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#40712 - 08/25/14 10:16 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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Originally Posted By: Rushian
I use this free software (Bulk Rename Utility) for renaming takes all the pain out of it!

http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Download.php



its awesome thanks!!!
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#40713 - 08/25/14 11:58 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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OwnHammer_412_MAR-CB_ALN-BLU_SS_RBN-121

This is one of my fist fav's not had much time to mess with it, it seams to my ear that the ribbon mic ones are much warmer as I guess they should be.

The ones that came with the epsi sounded OK but thinner and to get it better I had to run the HPF up to 9.0


any thoughts?

oh yea I've not had time to use it with the 11r I was using it with my MXR Fullbore Metal peddle and my line 6 L2M on FRFR (PA/Reference) setting and it takes all the fizzy out and just sounds AWESOME!

so I know that setup straight to a PA should work fine.


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#40715 - 08/25/14 02:52 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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hmmmm, everything you hear depends on a lot of factors. the speakers you use play a big part, but also your ears. if you start off with a warm tone, then everything else sounds fizzy. if you start with fizzy, everything else sounds dark and muffled.

here's what i do:

first i listen to the sound of my amp in the room.

then i select an IR that sounds just as warm.

i may just jam on that for awhile.

if i want to get it sounding cd quality, i will listen to a cd of a guitar tone that i like and either change the IR or eq it to sound closer to the cd.

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#40744 - 08/27/14 07:33 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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so far i've found that some things go better with the Epsi than others. the 11R is the perfect matchup for the Epsi. what it does for the 11R is fantastic in that it takes it to another level. my Bugera amp didn't benefit from the Epsi as much as the 11R did. sure it was cool to play through the Epsi, but it didn't retain the power amp interaction like the 11R did.

more experimenting to come...

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#40769 - 08/30/14 03:37 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Did someone test this technique for creating matching IR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl684tupzpk
I think it could be useful with the Epsi

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#40771 - 08/30/14 09:54 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: AlexDinn]
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yes, it does work well. you can make an IR for any and all tones you want, then load them into the Epsi. it is a little involved, but doable if you HAVE TO have a certain tone and it needs to be exact.

i've done this a few times, but i was surprised by the fact that i didn't actually like the tone of say John Petrucci when i was playing through that same rig tone. so after a few tries at playing through other people's rigs i decided that i couldn't get past a certain tone and feel when i want to play with ispiration. so nowadays i use what inspires me, then reamp to get the tone that fit's in the mix.

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#40824 - 09/03/14 06:46 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: zacflame]
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DUUUUDE! I am SO on this. That's the sound I was getting in post tweaking around and was hoping someone would be able to get that in real time with the Ownhammer IRs some day. Sounds better than the Torpedo CAB! HOLY. I noticed that growl even in the Rocktron. Those Ownhamer impulses really got something, you can EQ all over the place and not have any fizz or plasticness. $200..I imagine you can also use an amp direct out too. This is the ultimate. The 11R sounds like the Kemper, and the Prophesy sounds like the first Axe FX now haha. Nice find, my friend.
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#40826 - 09/03/14 07:01 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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Check out some of the Mickrich IRs too, they're really good too, especially for riffing around and playing metal riffs. I sold my 11R before I tried them with software sims, but must be pretty good. I never liked anything except these & the Ownhammers.

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/backl...960-ppc412.html

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2133088/DELIV_IRS.mp3
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#41043 - 09/13/14 05:40 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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i finally did an A/B test on a couple presets to see how close i could eq the factory cab to sound like an Ownhammer. i really need another eq to finish it off.

the first riff is 11R, the second is Ownhammer.

https://soundcloud.com/tags/singtall%20eleven%20rack%20ownhammer

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#41045 - 09/13/14 08:12 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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the first preset is called "Singtall MKIIO" and is in the superpack in the modded amps folder

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#41144 - 09/19/14 01:32 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I bought one, and received it last week (with a surprise : 45 euros VAT, I live in France...) I just make a quick try with the original IR, sounds good
But it will sound better with the ownhammer IR I bought too!
And there I need some advices:
Must I use only 44.1 Khz Ir?
Do you use Mono or stereo IR?
Why do you set the intput on 9 and the output on 3?
What are your fav IR from the ownhammer modern pack? There are so many...
Thanks

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#41147 - 09/19/14 03:18 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: AlexDinn]
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Alex Dinn, I will attempt to answer these questions:

Must I use only 44.1 Khz Ir?

Yes, because that is the (highest) sampling rate of the EPSi

Do you use Mono or stereo IR?

Use stereo if you have use stereo effects. I have a stereo setup (stereo power amp and 2 FRFR speakers) so I just go with stereo smile. If you have a mono set up you will not hear the difference of a stereo ir/effect combo.

Why do you set the intput on 9 and the output on 3?

Those are the recommended settings from Singtall who has the most experience with the 11 rack/EPSi, you can change these if you want to suit your setup, aim is to avoid clipping/distortion of the signal.

What are your fav IR from the ownhammer modern pack? There are so many...

I hear you brother grin, I am still working my way through the vintage pack. It is a difficult if not impossible question. as the answer depends on the tone you are after! This is why some bands spend years in the studio grin grin trying amp/cab/mic combos for that perfect tone!
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#41153 - 09/20/14 01:40 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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Thanks!
I use a stereo setup, so I'll use stereo IR!
And for the ownhammer IR, I'll spent some time though them...
With a quick try, it seems I like the 'Mixes Live modern' the most

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#41156 - 09/20/14 08:16 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: AlexDinn]
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funny thing.....i loaded a bunch of Ownhammer IR's in the Epsi in no particular order just to see which cabinet i liked without knowing which cabinet i was listening to, i was surprised that i liked different cabinet than i would normally use.

i loaded up 2-3 of each speaker studio vintage mixes (my preference because they are warmer) and it was actually easier to pick out good IR's because i wasn't thinking about which speaker i would normally use.

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#41159 - 09/20/14 01:12 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: AlexDinn]
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Originally Posted By: AlexDinn

Why do you set the intput on 9 and the output on 3?


I think what is meant by 9 and 3 is that the dial for the fx loop send is in the 9 o'clock position and the dial for the return is in the 3 o'clock position. That is how I have mine set and it works great, if you do it the other way I think you will overload the input of the EPSi and it will sound fuzzy.

9 o'clock looks like the red arm here:
clock image 9:00

and 3 o'clock looks like the red arm here:
clock image 3:00

I hope I don't sound condescending, if you already knew this then you have my apologies.

Originally Posted By: AlexDinn

What are your fav IR from the ownhammer modern pack? There are so many...
Thanks


I have that pack and I like the ALN-BLU T1 live mixes (usually live modern), and I like both the scumback T1 live mixes (again, usually live modern).

Also, I would just load the stereo set, if you run mono it only uses one side, but stereo is always available if you need it (the 'c' firmware doesn't create a stereo from mono like it does for the reverb firmware according to the manual).


Edited by Downrazor11 (09/20/14 01:30 PM)
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#41161 - 09/20/14 01:26 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Here is a simple spreadsheet I put together to try to sort through the variations in a useful way and number them. This is only for the mixes, I haven't gotten to the mics yet.

OwnhammerModernMix-ByMix

OwnhammerModernMix-BySpeaker

I don't mind giving anyone the xlsx file if they want, let me know.

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#41164 - 09/20/14 03:53 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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i wish i had the whole pack already sorted and numbered. i numbered just the ones i thought i would like....so i haven't tried them all yet. i like the studio mixes the best so far.

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#41171 - 09/21/14 12:58 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Originally Posted By: Downrazor11
Here is a simple spreadsheet I put together to try to sort through the variations in a useful way and number them. This is only for the mixes, I haven't gotten to the mics yet.

OwnhammerModernMix-ByMix

OwnhammerModernMix-BySpeaker

I don't mind giving anyone the xlsx file if they want, let me know.


Hey Man!

You've put a lot of thought and work into this brother, thank you very much for sharing this with us!! Very cool indeed.

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#41173 - 09/21/14 03:29 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Str@man]
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If I can ask a couple of q's....

1) is the ver c epsi that much of an improvement in the tonal characteristics of the 11r (or any other modeler) that makes $200 + $30-50 for 3rd party ir's worth it?

2) is this strictly a recorded tone thing or does this play well with frfr's?

Seems a little too good to be true. But I've been trying to learn about this subject for a couple weeks. I've got NO problem dropping the coin, I just wanted some re-inforcment before I do.

I had the digi 1101 that I would load them, I just hadn't a clue wtf I was doing. Only been into modeling amps for a few years. I've been reading other forums as well on tgp and some other site.

Thanks.
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#41174 - 09/21/14 03:31 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: strattman76]
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I do respect most everyone's opinion on here this is why I ask. I like some others would probably set to one cab and leave it. And pin it in the back of my rack sack.
Two good cables and you'd be golden.

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#41175 - 09/21/14 05:28 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: strattman76]
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the Epsi is for people that just can't get the sound that they want from from the 11R alone. the Epsi works great both live and recorded.

the Ownhammer IR's can give you that polished studio sound or an in-the-room type of tone, whatever you prefer.

another cool option is to make an IR of your guitar cabinet, that way you can have YOUR tone any time you want it.

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#41199 - 09/22/14 09:12 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Str@man]
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Originally Posted By: Str@man


Hey Man!

You've put a lot of thought and work into this brother, thank you very much for sharing this with us!! Very cool indeed.


Thanks, unfortunately most of the tedious work is in actually numbering each file, especially with number systems that only go 1-15, then 21-25, etc..

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#41200 - 09/22/14 09:29 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: strattman76]
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Originally Posted By: strattman76
If I can ask a couple of q's....

1) is the ver c epsi that much of an improvement in the tonal characteristics of the 11r (or any other modeler) that makes $200 + $30-50 for 3rd party ir's worth it?


I was skeptical about this as well. One of my concerns was dropping $200 on another magic box, and to make things more difficult it seems too expensive for what it is. I mean it is well built and all but 1)I have more need for preset changes (up,down) than I do for a bypass switch (I will NEVER USE the bypass), and 2) as Singtall already mentioned, it really needs a clipping signal. So I am basically paying $200 for a product that needs to be revised, not to mention the parts of the unit probably cost $30-$50 to actually make. I can appreciate the cost as paying for the intellectual-development of the zero-latency cab IR path, but for its limitation for my need, only just barely. Plus, I really think Logidy should work out a deal to distribute Ownhammer IRs with their product, the ownhammer mixes are the real shining star here. With that said, I can't think of a scenario where I wouldn't be really disappointed if I had to play without it. It is awesome what it can do with just a pedal in front of it (check the video if you haven't already). I guess it's like buying a sports car and realizing there are still a couple important things you could do to make it a true performance machine, these extra things would be like good FRFR, the EPSi, and the Ownhammer Modern or Vintage mix IRs.

Originally Posted By: strattman76
2) is this strictly a recorded tone thing or does this play well with frfr's?


It sounds awesome with both my EV ZLX-12P and my friend's Behringer B212D as well as on my Tannoy studio monitors.. It really does a wonderful thing.



Edited by Downrazor11 (09/22/14 10:10 AM)

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#41201 - 09/22/14 10:06 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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i spoke with the manufacturer and they are working on a firmware update to allow a clip light or word to help get the send/return set easily.

i asked about midi switching, but that would bring the price way up near the two notes torpedo...so that's a no go for now.

the unit was originally designed for reverb, but many of us asked for them to make a version for guitar IR loading...and they did.

with the right IR, you can approach axe-fx II tone using the 11R...for that i am thankful.

live; i use one IR for 4 different presets that cover most of what i do.

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#41202 - 09/22/14 10:35 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I understand and I am, for the most part, ok with the design limitations. In practice though, I find myself switching among IRs more than my 11r presets to get a particular feel within a song. To put it another way, I would rather my FCB1010 control the EPSi than the 11r (for most situations), though I know how unrealistic it would be to swap cabs in the real world (but otoh how realistic is it to swap amps in the real world, yet that's what we expect). I still think from a cost-per-unit standpoint this thing is way overpriced. I know adding 2 more buttons (for up,down and not necessarily midi) would be an added design and implementation cost and may require a larger enclosure but what is the $200 really paying for? I don't use the IR they send so that might be a hidden charge of $20 (to put on par with Ownhammer). Don't get me wrong, I would rather have the product in its current state than not at all but it is far from ideal..

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#41203 - 09/22/14 10:38 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Thanks for the quick reply. I too have the zlx. Everything sounds just fine with what I have so far. And I don't have the jack to drop on a $1500+ amp modeller that already loads different responses. But if It makes a noticeable difference in sound quality, it just seems a small price to pay to improve on the 11. They are almost giving these things away. Mine was $400 new with no pt almost two yrs ago. My interest is sparked by what I read on the interwebs about how great the amp sims on most midrange modellers. Seems the weak link is in the cab sims on most. Mainly stuff I've read on this thread.
Thanks again.
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#41204 - 09/22/14 10:39 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
i spoke with the manufacturer and they are working on a firmware update to allow a clip light or word to help get the send/return set easily.


This is good to know! This is to add the functionality to the units already sold? Or would they implement it in the next gen of hardware?

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#41227 - 09/23/14 11:09 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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It's currently the cheapest solution and IRs & reverb take more processing than anything, so I'm sure the processor isn't cheap. I'm definitely getting one. I got about 5 goto IRs and can tell which ones they are by listening. Buying Ownhammer IRs, you have to do that even if you have a $2000 Axe FX II preloaded with the best IRs. They're worth it, they put a lot of hard work into them. Like Singtall said, this is basically the upgrade method from Eleven Rack to an Axe FX for a couple hundred bucks vs. a couple thousand. There's free IRs on the Andy Sneap forums all the time too. http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/backline-414/
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#41229 - 09/23/14 12:55 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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the clip light would be a firmware update is what he told me.

$199 for the Epsi is cheap compared to the competition. and you can't buy a real world cabinet and good mics for that amount either. it has a fast processor to do what it does, which costs money. the other thing is that this whole deal is done by one guy at his house for the most part. his cost per unit is still up there because he doesn't have the money or facilities to mass produce it yet.

i believe that you will only see a cheaper unit when Behringer decides to rip off the design. lol.

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#41234 - 09/23/14 03:22 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Sorry, but $200 for the unit is a complete steal!

Just look at any guitar magazine and you can drop $200+ for a 'boutique' fuzz or distortion pedal that has a heck of a lot less development/technology going on in it IMHO.

The fact that the owner of EPSi responds to and follows up on the 'updates/upgrades' that are demanded from the users, which take manhours and effort to develop, is incredible!

As I have said before I am a small business owner and I can safely say that the profits from the EPSi unit are not making anybody a 'rich fat cat'.

For arguments sake, lets say cost of parts is approx $60, I am guessing it takes at least 2 hours @ $50/hour (considering a plumber costs $80-$90/hr that is a low ball) to put one of these together (I'm being optimistic!), total cost is ~ $110 to produce. Now you have to include costs for packaging, advertising, utilities, liability insurance, taxes, etc, believe me there won't be much left out of the $90 'profit' I estimated!

Apologies for getting on my Soap box, but this kind of stuff gets to me!!
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#41236 - 09/23/14 03:46 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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You do have a good point. Like I said, it was worth it, obviously, because I bought it at that price. I was putting it in the same perspective of what my dollar buys with something like a Zoom G3, or the 11r even. I feel that the product does something unique, but other products I own may give me better value for my dollar, especially if it is missing some features for the cab IR application.

You are completely correct in that it is totally cool that the developer has adapted the product to accommodate a different purpose than was originally intended. That is awesome without question.

I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, just adding a little perspective to the sound shaping ability my dollar could possibly buy. I would buy it again if it were stolen, but I still wish it had different features or were cheaper..


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#41238 - 09/23/14 03:51 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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No offence intended or taken Downrazor11 smile

My point was to say you can't compare 'boutique' to mass produced. The economics just don't work! But I got onto my soapbox rant and then things got sidetracked and ugly... shocked shocked

No worries normal programing has been resumed smile
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#41239 - 09/23/14 07:30 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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I will say that I believe IRs make the 11R a top shelf unit. In fact, they will also make something even less expensive sound awesome!

To spare you the boring details - I use a Digitech RP360XP -> Torpedo CAB -> Line 6 M9 -> PA rig at church. Using the Scumback Ownhammer IR lights the Digitech preamps up!!! In fact, the CAB lastest firmware update puts their native cabs on par with the Ownhammer IRs (IMHO - although I admittedly don't have fool-proof ears when it comes to this sort of stuff).

Not to derail off the EPSi - but more to confirm that a quality IR loader will transform your tone.

Although I am in IT professionally (I am in QA currently although I did spend some time as an application developer) I can't say I know the details on DSP usage. What I hear over and over is what TLTD stated above - IRs seem to take a ton of resource capacity. To find a unit that does only that allows you to get top shelf quality without having to pay another $1K or more to get it.

To bring this long winded post to conclusion - although I am using a Torpedo CAB I would go out now and get an EPSi today if I didn't have the CAB. It makes THAT much difference (IMHO).
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#41295 - 09/27/14 11:26 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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I'm so on the fence with the epsi c. I know it is an awesome unit and I can improve on my sound live but..... My recorded guitar tone sounds very very close to pro level quality (or so I have been told). This is due to the countless hours I out in streamlining the ozone plugins for post processing.

I've tried tons of IR plugins with the 11r ,since my rhythm tracks don't have a lot post cab anyway, and I haven't been blown away.


Still At $199 it's a steal...
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#41296 - 09/27/14 07:53 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: NARSH]
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if you don't need it, don't go down that rabbit hole my friend. as much as i like mine, there are WAY too many IR options to chose from, which can waste a bunch of your time that could be spent playing.

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#41297 - 09/28/14 06:16 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I grabbed a bunch of free IRs from all over the place a few years ago, and man it was tedious to audition them, even in a DAW with an existing recorded track. I ended up deciding while they all provided different options for sure, I couldn't say it was worth having that set up for my general daily use. Maybe it is easier with the EPSI or Torpedo, dunno. I guess if you find a special cab model that really works for what you are doing, it is the way to go.

And Narsh, I would tend to agree - your stuff sounds top notch already!

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#41298 - 09/28/14 06:47 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: noguud]
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I found it hard to love an IR until Ownhammer did the Scumbacks. They come to life for me. The 412 SLM M75 is killer. Haven't tried the H's but from the demos around the time I bought them, the M's are the best. I'm holding off a bit on playing again because my new job is killing my hands as it is, but I hope you find your IR. Free ones are not good, the methods they use to make them and the gear is very basic stuff that shapes the sound, but there's no life or feel to them like the Ownhammer impulses. You might still need to EQ them, but you wont be notching out frequencies that take the life out of them.

I don't know how the current packs look, but there weren't a whole lot of impulses to go through and I actually liked that because I remember going through a landfill of impulses back in the day too.

This one, I decided was my goto out of them all. I want to say I may have modified this one, but I think I ended up just renaming it: https://db.tt/td2e6t6Z

There's no way to redownload my pack, and they are improved now, otherwise I would not share this particular impulse file. It's named MD1 because I was trying to get Mark Day's Flying High Again sound with it at the time.
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#41340 - 09/30/14 04:53 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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here is a good example of what the Epsi and good IR's can do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdEdYCUttU

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#41341 - 09/30/14 10:12 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
here is a good example of what the Epsi and good IR's can do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdEdYCUttU


Nice. I like how he mixed the Cathellan and Ownhammer impulses left & right. Never thought of that.


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#41342 - 10/01/14 06:03 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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I'm not using my Eleven Rack for recording at this time, but will be soon. How much difference does the Epsi make to you guys that are using the Eleven Rack with a powered monitor for live playing?

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#41343 - 10/01/14 07:08 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Lawless33]
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it makes the same difference live as it does in the studio....depending on the IR you use, it can be a lot of difference.

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#41344 - 10/01/14 08:28 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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It makes a huge difference to my ears. It is like the difference between having things fit perfectly, precision fit, and being close but not aligned or symmetrical in a way that does affect performance. It is as if it makes the engine run better than it ever could without IMHO. I would not want to play the 11r if I had to play without it, I'd play through my amp, but with it I forget I even have other gear.


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#41347 - 10/01/14 10:13 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Will have to check it out. For $200, it's a good deal if it sounds better and opens up options.
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#41348 - 10/01/14 10:23 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Lawless33]
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If you do, make sure you get the OwnHammer Modern or Vintage mix set, as all of my comments are referring to this PLUS the EPSi. It is only $19 more but does 99% of what you are hearing from the EPSi. I guess it is like a CD player manufacurer sending a free demo cd with each player, not as good as having a cd of your favorite band.. Both are essential to the equation, though OwnHammer moreso than EPSi..

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#41349 - 10/01/14 10:36 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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the IR's that come with the Epsi aren't bad, but the Ownhammer IR's are much better.

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#41350 - 10/01/14 09:13 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Thanks to all the excellent info from singtall, I bought my epsi today!

Your dedication and diehard research are truly appreciated. The info and comparison clips are what pushed me over the edge and on to the buy button.

Just need to go grab some ownhammer goodness and wait on the mailman.

I'll report back after I get everything up and running.


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#41351 - 10/01/14 10:03 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: StratGuru]
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that last clip was a great example of what you can do with just a few pedals.

i think the Epsi would be especially good for someone who only has a pedal board and wants to go direct.

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#41352 - 10/02/14 07:32 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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That epsi looks pretty cool indeed. I'm not having an issue with the 11R cabs yet but my POD HD500 is horrible. If the epsi can make it usable I'd have a decent grab and go solution when I don't want to pack up my 11r. Don't need a heavy set or ir's aka dejent ect. I'm more of a rock/blues player who can shred a bit. I'll need to let out some G.A.S. on ebay or reverb before I buy one...

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#41373 - 10/03/14 01:28 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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It makes a peddle very usable indeed straight to the board
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#41390 - 10/03/14 08:28 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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Quick question: if I read everything right, I have to turn off the cabinet on all my presets. Is there an easy way to globally do that?

One more: After the epsi is inserted in the effects loop, is there any other settings to be changed other than turning off the cab? I thought I read there is something that assigns where the loop is inserted or no?

Thanks so much for the help!
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#41393 - 10/03/14 10:42 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: StratGuru]
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there is no way to turn off the cabs globally that i know of, but it wouldn't help anyway. you will have to pretty much start from scratch once you change the cab...because your preset will no longer be close to what it was (depending on which IR you load up).

the loop needs to be right after the amp model. i put the loop directly after the amp, but i have heard of others putting it at the very end of the chain to more closely simulate playing a full rack of effects through a guitar cabinet. i like having effects after the speakers because it's more "studio" sounding.

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#41394 - 10/03/14 11:11 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
there is no way to turn off the cabs globally that i know of, but it wouldn't help anyway. you will have to pretty much start from scratch once you change the cab...because your preset will no longer be close to what it was (depending on which IR you load up).

I was worried you were going to say that... Ohh boy programming from scratch. Maybe some of your presets for an epsi combo pack thing? wink

the loop needs to be right after the amp model. i put the loop directly after the amp, but i have heard of others putting it at the very end of the chain to more closely simulate playing a full rack of effects through a guitar cabinet. i like having effects after the speakers because it's more "studio" sounding.


Cool. I'll try both. After seems the familiar way but that's in the "real" world. Thx!
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#41399 - 10/04/14 08:30 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: StratGuru]
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putting the cabinet before the amp model will result in a nasty sound for sure. i haven't tried it personally, but i know it would not be good.

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#41404 - 10/04/14 01:39 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
...but it wouldn't help anyway. you will have to pretty much start from scratch once you change the cab...because your preset will no longer be close to what it was (depending on which IR you load up).



That hasn't necessarily been my experience. True, there are some patches that will need tweaking to sound better after inserting the epsi, but for the most part the epsi has made existing patches sound better if not perfect with no tweaking. I don't do too much with low or mid gain tones so my experience generally has to do with a good high gain lead with delay and chorus, or clean with delay and chorus. You may find it needs less work than a complete reset of your patch. YMMV..

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#41408 - 10/04/14 01:50 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Wow. That was fast. Ordered my Epsi on Thursday, it arrived today!

People may wonder what happened to me. I foresee a lengthy amount of unavailability in the immediate future.....


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That hasn't necessarily been my experience. True, there are some patches that will need tweaking to sound better after inserting the epsi, but for the most part the epsi has made existing patches sound better if not perfect with no tweaking. I don't do too much with low or mid gain tones so my experience generally has to do with a good high gain lead with delay and chorus, or clean with delay and chorus. You may find it needs less work than a complete reset of your patch. YMMV..


That's good to know. I was hoping to get lucky and get some immediate gratification. Thx.
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#41411 - 10/04/14 02:14 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: StratGuru]
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Some patches were perfect with the EPSi AND the OwnHammer Studio Mix pack (either vintage or Modern, both great) used together. The Logidy IRs weren't as impressive, still workable though (as Singtall mentioned)..


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#41415 - 10/04/14 06:23 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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my experience is based on having an eq after the amp to fix the cab sound. adding the epsi made me turn off the eq and adjust the amp a little differently....for me, that's starting over because i'm turning off an eq that meant sometimes hours of work.

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#41416 - 10/04/14 08:23 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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So... After a very short session of playing, I am VERY impressed. I just grabbed 3 of the Scumback cabs that I thought singtall mentioned (Scumback) and gave them a go.

Richer, deeper, more harmonically rich to my ears. I can see though that I am going to have to finally dig in and start tweaking all the patches. I was spoiled (lazy) and was using a handful of user patches for the last year or so but they lose some luster once the cab is changed to the Epsi.

This whole thing is new to me and I'll have a bunch of questions. I'm thinking I should start a separate thread maybe or is it ok to bother everyone in this one? smile

Thanks again for all the advice and great info!
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#41417 - 10/05/14 07:27 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: StratGuru]
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at some point we will have to share some presets that use the Epsi. we just have to find an easy way to mention which IR we used.

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#41422 - 10/05/14 06:50 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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Originally Posted By: singtall
at some point we will have to share some presets that use the Epsi. we just have to find an easy way to mention which IR we used.


Maybe start naming the preset the name of the IR used...I'm thinking back to the way I named my presets to go with my outboard gear..abbreviate Ownhammer to OH_IRNAME_PRESETNAME or PRESETNAME_OH_IR.

So it'd be like SingtallCrunch_OH_M75V30_SM57 or start with OH if you want to make all of them stay alphabetical or something.

A step further maybe is to post under another account then all of the presets for that account can be found and will all be for the Epsi and easy to link to, etc.

Can't wait until there's an entire preset pack for Epsi. I'd donate to that cause.


Edited by TLTD (10/05/14 06:55 PM)
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#41425 - 10/05/14 10:14 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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Also there should be a post with the preset having the Epsi settings as well. I have messed with mine so much I need someone to post a good starting point or the default ones. I've noticed that when you make a change to the Epsi settings it is global and effects all the ir's you load after that... I am fortunate to have folks like you people here that are much better a tweaking than I.
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#41428 - 10/06/14 08:02 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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all of the IR's loaded into the Epsi have to start with a number like 101, 207, 504..etc. so that would limit things a bit.

the way i'm doing it is to included the IR number in my preset. for example: "Singtall MKII 623". this tells me what amp model i used (Mesa MKII) and the Epsi preset number (623).

we had the same issue with the axe-fx when trading presets; if you didn't have the same IR loaded in the exact same location, then you didn't have the right tone.

i'm in the process of making some IR's right now. I'm combining some IR's and eqing them, then outputting a stereo IR of the mix. because i'm mutating some Ownhammer and other IR's, i'm not sure about sharing them. i guess if the other user already has the ownhammer IR's then it should be no problem sharing the new mixes of them?

i may go in and pick out the "best of" each speaker type and save them all in a certain place like say the 900's, and maybe send out a list of which ones i'm loading into those slots so that sharing presets would be easier. hmmmmmm. ideas?

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#41429 - 10/06/14 09:45 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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That sounds awesome. As long as you can at least tell us which IRs, we'll most likely get them if we don't already have them, or try and mimic the same sound based on that information.
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#41433 - 10/06/14 02:57 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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that sound perfect for saving the ir's in the 900 thing and a key code sheet for them
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#41434 - 10/06/14 11:29 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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ok, ok, ok, folks...I'm about to pull the trigger on the EPSi, but one more question: I know a lot of you are much into heavy / hi gain sounds, metal and such. What you call "crunch" may be medium-to-hi-gain for others...;)
I am a top40 player and I need sounds from the cleanest Nile Rodgers stuff up to the rock classics from Kiss, Bon Jovi, Whitesnake and the likes. Plus all the pop/rock stuff that's in between. Some SRV as well (think "China girl" and "Let's dance").
So, the bottom line is: do you think I can work with the EPSi if I can not switch between various IRs (I only play live and there's no time to do that)? Or is it unrealistic to hope the chosen IR (whichever one it will be) can work equally well for all sounds? Which means I would have to go for something like the Two Notes Torpedo CAB which has MIDI on board.
If someone could respond on this that would be a huge help.

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#41436 - 10/07/14 07:43 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Markus]
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I know it is my biggest complaint about the EPSi (not being able to footswitch up or down a patch), but in practice I have it on a stand near me while I am playing and I just switch IRs between songs. Once you know where things are (in what order) it isn't too bad really. I am not sure midi is worth an extra $300. An extra $100, yes, $300 no..


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#41438 - 10/07/14 10:28 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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I guess I might add that I usually have 3 or 4 go-to IRs, and I could conceivably use only 1 of those and be happier than I would be using just the 11r. The challenge would be finding one that makes your tone shine for clean as well as crunch, but the OwnHammer IRs have about everything you could want (just takes a little time to find it).

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#41439 - 10/07/14 10:35 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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...and you can still on a per-patch-basis disable the loop and use the 11r cab sim if you feel it suits e.g. a clean sound better, right?

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#41440 - 10/07/14 10:47 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Markus]
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Yeah, you don't need to touch the EPSi to do that, just switch to a patch that has the loop off and you are back to the 11r cabs.

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#41448 - 10/07/14 05:31 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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I kind of have the same issue as Markus as I have some mellow blues (Stereo Matches) patches I like to use as well as the heavy stuff. Finding one cab for all may be an issue. Plus, the ability to have multiple complete rigs on tap is the bonus of going with a rack unit. That said, the Epsi adds such character and depth it's worth it to pick an all around cab and stick with it.

I like the idea of picking 3 favs and setting them at 100,101,102. You can pull them up super fast and hit the load button without any big issue but, doing it during a song would be tricky. But if you only loaded the 3 cabs on the card it would be fairly idiot proof.

I'm all for helping design a system to reference patches and IR's in some kind of universal format. Should be easy enough.

Now I just need to find the perfect IR to use with Singtalls King's X patch!
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#41484 - 10/09/14 10:30 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: StratGuru]
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Ok, the samples I heard made me so Randy that I had to hit the "instant buy" button when yesterday an EPSi turned up in german ebay. It is the reverb version, but if I read everything correctly I can download the cab IR version firmware and replace it, right? Please say "Yes"! wink

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#41490 - 10/10/14 07:52 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Markus]
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Originally Posted By: Markus
Ok, the samples I heard made me so Randy that I had to hit the "instant buy" button when yesterday an EPSi turned up in german ebay. It is the reverb version, but if I read everything correctly I can download the cab IR version firmware and replace it, right? Please say "Yes"! wink


As I understand it, yes! smile
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#41491 - 10/10/14 08:14 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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So, can any you of you electronics/programing geniuses use this to come up with a midi controller for the EPSI http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/index.html ? (i.e. MIDI to rotary encoder/push button input on the EPSi) smile
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#41492 - 10/10/14 08:18 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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A midi controller using the teensy: https://github.com/Roming22/MidiController
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#42225 - 12/26/14 03:09 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Rushian]
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I've had my Epsi for months now and today is the first time I've tried using it with the 11r...

Ok I am confused now... I've searched this thread and around some others and the settings for the FX loop should be
send 3
return 9
mix %100
or
send 9
return 3
(I saw Ross post the ladder 2x) but that way seems to be causing a little overdriving the Epsi it sounds better with the
send 3
return 9
but I seem to hear a slight high end fiz no matter what setting when I use the Epsi (not on 11r cab), and I am using my studio mons (BX8a's) I tried flipping the para eq on and off and messing with it to but can't find the feq.

also the settings on the Epsi it self, I saw someone post the hi set to 2.9 but that was worse for me.
It is on
Lo:0
Mid:5
Hi:0
LF:0.45
HF:2.56
is this the default settings? I saw someone post that if you left it off and unplugged for a long time it would go to default settings after a wile, is that right?

I screwed with it a little but to no avail.
what am I doing wrong?
we really need this info in one place... thanks in advance...
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#42226 - 12/26/14 03:25 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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Push the button until it says 1.5d so it uses the impulses you put on the SDCard. Turn the knob to the # you want and hit the button again to load the new impulse. I don't think you want the mids boosted to 5...that seems odd. You can leave your send/return on the 11R at 0dB, Mix 100%.
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#42230 - 12/26/14 06:18 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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seems like i remember the mids being at 5 is default, and that it is also setup to be like an old amplifier where mids set at 5 is kinda flat. i know mine is set factory default.

are you running your amp model or preset too loud causing distortion? maybe you just have a bad unit.

with any of my presets, you should be able to switch on the loop with the settings i gave and it should sound good with no distortion. if you try any of my presets and it doesn't sound right, you may have a defective Epsi.

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#42231 - 12/26/14 10:04 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: singtall]
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I loaded about 30 of your presets and tryed them and messed with them some that were old and some of the ones that are new in the latest pack some were already on my unit for the past couple years the sound is good but just a very slight fiz is on a really high freq and I wasn't sure if it was the full range of the studio monitors that did it but when I'm not using the Epsi it does not do it. it does definitely sound better with the Epsi. I just was slightly annoyed by the almost not noticeable fiz
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#42239 - 12/27/14 07:29 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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I have no idea how to post one of the patches I use with no problems (and no fizz), so if someone can let me know if I can post the tfx file in the body here let me know..

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#42240 - 12/27/14 07:31 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Also, what type of guitar sound are you trying to get? Sorry, I might have missed it but I only have a few minutes to try to help, and I love my Ownhammer-loaded EPSi!!

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#42241 - 12/27/14 09:43 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: Downrazor11]
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Make sure your cabinets on Eleven Rack are off and check your speaker breakup. You shouldn't be getting fizz if you're doing everything right and using decent IRs. Take your time with presets also, it's very easy to get sounds but you wont be able to just take a preset made for Eleven Rack cabs and get results. Start from scratch with a JRC and a Treadplate M and play around a bit with the desired EQ, FX, etc; that you normally would just as you would a completely new amp & FX unit.
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#42244 - 12/28/14 09:18 AM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: TLTD]
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Originally Posted By: Downrazor11
Also, what type of guitar sound are you trying to get? Sorry, I might have missed it but I only have a few minutes to try to help, and I love my Ownhammer-loaded EPSi!!


The Singtall crunch singtall crunch II and singtall crunch III are just some of the ones that I was using. I am using the ownhammer modern pack...

Originally Posted By: TLTD
Make sure your cabinets on Eleven Rack are off and check your speaker breakup. You shouldn't be getting fizz if you're doing everything right and using decent IRs. Take your time with presets also, it's very easy to get sounds but you wont be able to just take a preset made for Eleven Rack cabs and get results. Start from scratch with a JRC and a Treadplate M and play around a bit with the desired EQ, FX, etc; that you normally would just as you would a completely new amp & FX unit.


the speaker breakup is only on the 11 rack cabinets, right? and I'm not having the problem when not using the Epsi.

I was making sure that I was turning off the cab by going into the cabinet settings in hitting the bypass then hitting the FX loop button on the front of the 11 rack switching back and forth listening to it. maybe I'm not describing what I'm hearing very well and should make a recording with a mic so that you guys can hear what I'm talking about just a very small sound when I use the Epsi almost like a blown tweeter sound but not really heavy very light and I know it's not blown because when I don't hear it when the Epsi is not there. I just can't describe it any better than that it's not like anything is wrong I'm just thinking maybe there's some other settings that I need to change. I also used presets from the modded heads section in the singtall super PAC which I think Ross said that he made to work with the Epsi not sure about that though. and I have been putting the FX loop after the cabinet.



Edited by jaminjimlp (12/28/14 09:22 AM)
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#42246 - 12/28/14 01:18 PM Re: Logidy Epsi C review [Re: jaminjimlp]
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as long as the effects loop is after the amp model then you should have no problem.

just about any preset that you can load up should still sound good and not fuzzy when you bypass the stock cabinet and put the epsi in the effects loop after the amp.

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