if someone came up with an IR that sounded like a guitar cab sitting in a bedroom they would be rich. that's the first sound most people search for and the hardest sound to get. i gave up on that and starting trying to get a finished cd tone instead.

Good old Cliff :-)

Haha... fair enough to trust someone who talks shit about his direct competitors (Kemper) who managed to beat him on several discussion about matching, irs and modelling, where Cliff clearly wasn't prepared as Mr. Kemper
funny that he praises a clearly dead product (Eleven Rack), just to show off he's a good guy who recognizes talent..

About the technical part, I find the kemper much more closer to the real amp, as the kemper profiles the sweet spot and character, the axe fx just copies the EQ curve.

the Tonematch feature only matches the eq curve, but the MIMIC modeling matches the amp feel. using both features you can get REAL close.

What is the mimic modeling? Never heard of that,is it a function like tonematch or something they do in the programming phase?
On top of that i heard a kemper live and it was gooood ,gotta try an axe Too some day.

I totally agree with you, when I switch from "Rig output no cab" to "Rig Output" I also enable a parametric eq on each patch to remove highs and lows. I don't understand why Chris didn't take a far-field mic instead of close-field when creating IR, it would have made the 11R totally awesome out-of-the-box and would have also recreated the amp-in-the-room feeling.


The main reason I decided to get 11R was because of the simplicity of using it, and mainly from the front panel. I didn't want to tweak hundreds of parameters hidden under tens of menus to have a good sound. The UI on 11R is fantastic in reproducing a real amp/pedals knobs fealing.


Humble but of high quality!

long story short, MIMIC is the way he codes the axe-fx firmware to make the actual amp sounds. MIMIC accurately reproduces the feel of the amp and in most cases the exact knob correspondence to match a real amp.

Tonematch is simply an eq block that lets you copy an exact eq profile from another amp or even a recording. i used the feature to tonematch my pickups from one guitar to another.....even to make my electric sound like my acoustic.

There's a reason why he hates Kemper and spends so much time searching for perceived weaknesses- it's cutting into his sales!
I have owned both at the same time and was able to A/B the two as of FW 10. Unless FWs 11 & 12 were significant upgrades, the Kemper, by a long shot to my ears, sounded more like the real deal. But, because the AXE works better with a power amp & cab, I will be owning both again.(sigh)

after firmware 12.3.....everything is way more organic and realistic.

12.0 was a major upgrade of the Axe2 to the base modeling algorithms. 12.3 takes it even further because it adds the modeling of the power supply load from the power section affecting the supply load to the pre amp tubes. It's totally a 'feel' upgrade versus a 'sound quality' upgrade. You can really notice the difference in how it works on Brown Sound type patches.

I'll Echo DonaldR's statement that the front panel interface of the 11R is way more user friendly than the Axe-2's. The trade off there is you lose a lot of the tweakability. I think the added ABCD controllers on the Axe-2 are probably a direct result of the 'Let's try out some competing products' sessions.

But the front panel interface on the 11R to be is orders of magnitude easier to use.