Singtall EQ experiment (a public service message).

me and TLTD once tried this experiment to figure out what was "wrong" with most eleven rack cab/mic combos....they had too much fizz or piercing highs. now that i have a few decent options to A/B against, i decided to revisit the eq experiment once again.

to participate in this test, you must try this post eq setting BEFORE you listen to anything else or jam. you ears must be fresh or this will sound dull.

the post eq setting is as follows:

LF -4db, 250hz, Q .7, shelf
HF -24db, 5khz, Q .7, shelf

there will still be some highs in there (as it should be) but for the most part the digital high frequency fake crap will be gone.

when i had the axe-fx ultra, the first lesson i learned real quick was that it needed low and high end rolloff. if i mic'd a real amp in the studio i would roll off some highs and lows, so why not do it on the eleven rack?

i'm going to go on record and say that this eq "fix" will allow most anyone to easily dial in something worth using without having to jump through hoops.

step 1:

setup an EQ after the amp/cab, and put in the EQ settings i listed above.

step 2:

pick any amp and cabinet you want and adjust the amp tone controls to taste. simple things like V30 cab with sm57 off axis will sound more like the real world.

for most people this will solve a lot of problems.

don't like the feel of the amp? this is where the tweak-heads get into trouble. i have a basic eq setting for that too.

PRE-EQ setting:

LF -21.8db, 194.7hz, Q 8.9 HP6
LMF 2.2db, 1.2khz, Q 5.3
HMF leave alone for now.
HF -11.8db, 3.2khz, Q 4.5 peaking

try this setting in front of a JCM800 and you will start to get a nice warm Plexi feel from it.

what else can i do with this ultra cool pre-eq? glad you asked. try boosting the LMF to 9db (or more if you dare), then cut some mids on the post eq at that same frequency (1.2khz) and enjoy the fluid lead tone with plenty of sustain.

don't feel like turning any knobs or experimenting at all? that's why i made the Singtall Superpack. enjoy.

https://sites.google.com/site/singtallelevenracksuperpack/home

someone else using an Epsi may want to chime in, but with this post EQ setting i'm able to get well into the same tonal territory as the Ownhammer IR's.

using the 11R 20watt speaker i am able to get close to a Scumback 75 tone.

a preset (for you slackers) that has both eq settings already applied:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Singtall%20Krunch3.tfx

Thanks Ross! I will give this a try!!!

Dude This is great!!! I gotta go to work right now though, Where is the video?!?!?!;)

Thank you Ross!! Will try to check this out this weekend if I get a chance!

it's such a pain to set everything up to make a professional video that i decided to just publish the info on the interweb for now. lol.

Can this be stickied by any chance... Just for a little while?

Also... I'm assuming you are referring to using the parametric eq correct?

yes, i am saying to use the parametric eq after the amp model.

maybe my ears are broken, but I don't hear the eleven rack cabs as having piercing highs. In fact, when I do mix things for myself and then compare to commercial recordings, I add a bunch of highs in, on the order of 2 - 3 dB @ 5 kHz and 5 dB @ 15 kHz. Maybe I need my ears tested, lol. it's true for me for acoustic guitar as well, when I mic an acoustic it sounds warm and pleasing, then I compare to popular music and I have to jack up the high end.

anyways, thanks for sharing the ideas, I will try the suggestions and see how things turn out.

it's a certain high end frequency more than anything else that gives a brittle high end. the eq i'm doing doesn't kill all of the highs, but it does smooth out that frequency that i'm talking about.

Will check this out later...I noticed with my new guitar, there's almost a high rolloff effect due to the pickups, but I was trying to figure out just what it actually would take to get the Ownhammer tones since I was actually boosting a lot of frequencies whereas the Eleven Rack cabs already had a lot of cut through ones, but just needed some rolloff and tweaking here & there. A couple of cabinets sounded just right, but I never got into using them too much since I had the EPSi this time. Always good to have more than one type of color...now I wonder what it would be like to use 11R cabs on a track and Ownhammer IRs on another, or even blend them in through reamping or something.

Thanks for the excellent post!

Are all your presets referenced to studio monitors, or some other FRFR setup? I'm assuming that the actual 11R rig has a role to play in the tone? I would also assume that a lot of the superpack presets will be guitar dependent...

all of my presets are made to be played thru a full range system, be it studio or live.

i make presets to work with a variety of guitars, but some tweaking of presets may be needed if you have a guitar that is too far from the norm.

i just found out that there is a glitch in the eleven rack editor. i used the editor to come up with those eq settings and it sounds right, but if you enter the same settings from protools or from the front panel then the tone will vary.

i caught a note from Benoni on another forum about this issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0LUa9C_zb4

i'll have to check out the actual settings from the front panel to verify.

if you are using the 11R front panel or protools, change the Q to .2 instead of .7.

This is great info. I spent my first month with my Eleven Rack getting something that worked and was successful. This eq. tip is awesome, threw it on a Treadplate then an SL 100 that I could not bond with and it does soften the harshness right away.
Thanks!
I also modified my Q setting as I am not using this with any editors. Taking 4 off the value worked for me.
Thanks.

i track i just laid down using the singtall krunch 3 preset i posted with the eq settings mentioned:

https://soundcloud.com/singtall/fall-away-track-mix-1

I really liked this. My hands have been killing me from work or I'd be trying some stuff out. There's a really good presence and balance going on. Sounds real & organic. The cleans are really great.

bump. someone get back with me on your findings after trying to the eq settings or presets i posted.

I tried this and noticed like you said to pull up one of your presets and look at them and the settings were slightly different and I do see (hear) the difference. me no being much of a tweeter and not having much time to get on here I didn't get my finding up on this page, sorry, but thanks for this great info!!! this is another one that should be a "sticky"

I'm using the post eq settings as you indicated to tame the low and high frequencies. I'm also cutting the low frequency with another eq before the amp which makes a huge difference on high gain settings. Your eq tips have really made this device sound great in my studio. I'll be trying out my new rigs with my band in a few weeks. I'll post again after that.

I just tried the krunch patch in my editor, left the EQ's where you had them, changed the marshall over to a black SR amp/cab and put some green OD in there as well and tweaked reverb and delay and it's a lot better using these EQ's before/after then compared to anything i had come up with, thanks so much!

Also I can only imagine it'll get better from here on out once I finally get me a Logidy EPSi impulse response thingy!

the idea behind this eq is to give you the true amp in the room sound. for cd quality you will have to come off the high pass eq some.