The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R....

Posted by: Riffmagus

The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/14/13 12:32 PM

Is that super-dry, super-tight - CHUNK.

No amount of EQ or pedals before amp placement can match that great thrash CHUNK sound. Which is why I'm gassing to try a Engl/AMT preamp before the Eleven to see if it's purely that tube goodness that I'm craving.

It's the only thing that's bugging me. I can't seem to get that surgical bottom end tone...if anyone has any more tips, I'd love to try them out - might be something silly I'm missing.

This is from a pure amp/pedal tone - no effects engaged - no reverb or chorus. Just searching for that tight, low end ride a riffola train to valhalla CHUNK CHUNK *SQUEALLLLLLLLLL* tone.

Anyone??
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/14/13 06:45 PM

post a clip of something close to what you want. i would like a new challenge.
Posted by: Riffmagus

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/15/13 12:13 AM

Clips -

Best Quality - Heavy Example starts @ 2.15 or so
Engl 530 - All Tones

Another Example - @ 0.38
Engl Preamp Test

Another Good Example with HD
Good Example of Clarity

Not Best Quality - but really captures CHUNK and sound in Room
Niiice Chunk

Quad Tracked - but GREAT examples of the low end CHUNK on palm mutes
Tight Tone!

Last one, that started it all -
Almost Grail Tone - not great quality - but you get the idea

I have found that using the Black Op pedal before the amp gets the nearest and tightest tones. After that it's down to pre/post eq and cab mic etc.

I've been writing sketch ideas for songs with my ESP with EMG's in Dropped D if that's any help also.

If anyone can help get this tone flowing, that would be LEGENDARY!! smile

Cheers,

-Riff
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/15/13 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Riffmagus
Clips -

Best Quality - Heavy Example starts @ 2.15 or so
Engl 530 - All Tones i had that preamp...there is no bass to be had, which is why i sold it. the bass in that clip is from the bass guitar. the eleven rack can get this sound.

Another Example - @ 0.38
Engl Preamp Test another good but easy tone to get.

Another Good Example with HD
Good Example of Clarity this is all about using the right pre-eq before the amp model.

Not Best Quality - but really captures CHUNK and sound in Room
Niiice Chunk i thought this was not the best example of the engl tone. more marshall than engl

Quad Tracked - but GREAT examples of the low end CHUNK on palm mutes
Tight Tone! again, possible with the 11R.

Last one, that started it all -
Almost Grail Tone - not great quality - but you get the idea yep, i know what you are looking for.

I have found that using the Black Op pedal before the amp gets the nearest and tightest tones. After that it's down to pre/post eq and cab mic etc.

I've been writing sketch ideas for songs with my ESP with EMG's in Dropped D if that's any help also.

If anyone can help get this tone flowing, that would be LEGENDARY!! smile

Cheers,

-Riff


tuning down SERIOUSLY effects the low end crunch. i'm tuned to Bb and that guitar is much closer to the tone you want than my D tuned guitar. i will work on an Engl E530 preset and see what you think.
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/15/13 09:25 PM

ok, it took a little while...but i was able to make my Bb guitar sound really close to the clips you posted. your mileage will vary. do some tweaking for your pickups using the pre-eq if need be.

as requested by Riffmagus....drum roll please:

first preset using the recto vintage:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Riffmagus%20rec.tfx

second one using the MKII (which i like better):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Engl%20Djent.tfx

and the masterpiece (on my guitar at least):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Engl%20E530%20Djent.tfx
Posted by: Riffmagus

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/16/13 12:18 AM

Mmmm, cookies.

Seriously, many thanks Ross - I'll try these out later as soon as I get time.

One thing I have noticed, is that MANY tones just sound better running through monitors. Headphones 'kill' the 'air' aspect of tone and make me way too critical of the slightest fretbuzz - which ends up hampering my enjoyment of playing.

one point being, since getting the Torpedo CAB I have been riffing through my KRK's - sounds GLORIOUS. Even written some song ideas....going back to cans seems rather stale and I end up over-complicating things!!
Posted by: aussiebail

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/16/13 09:30 AM

Hey Ross,Do you also put these presets in your Singtall pack link? Just wondering so I don't create a duplicates by downloading twice...

Thanks!
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/16/13 09:40 AM

yep, i add all new presets to my singtall updates folder.
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/16/13 06:47 PM

downloading the superpack updates folder will overwrite all presets and add the new ones. i suggest doing that at least once a month.

and yes, i add all new presets to the superpack. the ones that are commissioned usually end up in there too after i get approval from the person who paid me to make them.
Posted by: aussiebail

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/16/13 07:54 PM

Great man thanks!
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/16/13 09:21 PM

no clips yet? you guys must be sleeping. i was sure one of you Djentleman would make a clip and post it here.

any thoughts on the presets?
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/17/13 08:03 AM

nothing but birds chirping over here....where are the djents?
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/17/13 02:32 PM

fine....i'll do it myself. brothers must be busy jamming.

https://soundcloud.com/singtall/eleven-rack-engl-test
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/17/13 02:34 PM

too much low mids i think. i will work on these some more if anyone is interested, if not, no biggie.
Posted by: Riffmagus

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/17/13 02:36 PM

Sorry Ross,

Been messing with new pedal - It should be great, and would be with a tube-amp - but just does not cut the mustard when used with the Eleven.

Feel a bit like giving up at the moment, just going back to a tiny tube combo and keeping it simple - more gear = more hassle.
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/17/13 02:55 PM

i tweaked both presets and made another clip:

https://soundcloud.com/singtall/engl-test-2

new presets:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Engl%20Djent%20II.tfx

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5622773/Engl%20E530%20Djent2.tfx
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/19/13 03:51 PM

i still could use some input on these presets djentleman.
Posted by: dmock66

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/20/13 11:32 AM

... or sick for a few days... :-(

My employer also blocked this forum on our web filter (just happened a couple weeks ago) so I can no longer participate during the day (I get NO cell reception at my desk so I have to hook my phone up to the WiFi). As such I've been a bit more quiet than I'd prefer to be...

... and... well... I'm no djent player... in fact, I had to look it up because I wasn't really sure what you meant by it.

... but... (ADD moment here) I did download the 5150 III preset last night (FINALLY) and THAT ONE RAKWED MY FACE OFF!!! Well done once again Ross!!!
Posted by: Riffmagus

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/21/13 05:00 AM

Hey Ross,

Sorry for being out of the loop - been busy with work and family stuff - just had chance to record a very quick clip with your 5153 preset -

Ross 5153 Tone Test

ESP/EMG's in standard tuning, and some wah for flavour smile
Posted by: singtall

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/21/13 07:44 AM

thanks....but i was talking about the presets on this thread, you know the ones you were talking about?
Posted by: Riffmagus

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/21/13 08:43 AM

D'oh - need.more.sleep.

Will get some up and running using the Engl ones. Apologies!
Posted by: crankyrayhanky

Re: The ONE thing I find missing from the 11R.... - 04/21/13 12:07 PM

I'd love to jam on it, but my input is screwed up frown